Thad Bosley

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) I think everyone does from time to time. Some people just do it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Ugh - tell me about it!

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) Buster said that the White Sox should listen because Dombrowski will overpay with the pressure on Boston to win. He did say that he wouldn't necessarily trade him though. He mentioned Moncada and Benintendi. Boy, if you could land both of those guys for Quintana, I don't know how you pass that up. The more you read about Moncada, it looks like he is on his way to superstardom. He's a top ten player on just about every top prospect list out there. Huge offensive potential which, the last I looked, that was an attribute sorely missing with the Sox for some time now. The other guy, Benintendi, is also a blue chip prospect with vast offensive potential. You add both of those guys to an offensive core featuring Abreu, Eaton, and now Anderson as well, and that's not looking too shabby from a long term perspective. And then there's Zach Collins looming in the not so distant future, too. So I don't know. Trading Quintana obviously signals a different direction than it would appear the Sox want to go. But maybe in a couple of weeks facts on the ground will dictate a different path they made need to travel.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) No, I think you missed my point. Fans that criticize irrationally are irrational. It really is that straight forward. When you purposefully chose to ignore anything good, in favor of everything bad, and even get to the point of pointing to a single game just because you were at it as being more important evidence than everything else... yes I would call that irrational. Of course in this case you point at Albers. Why? Because he has been awful, which fits your rant. But the rest of the pen which is pitching to expectations, or above them right now? Crickets. Not Duke, not Robertson, not Jones, not Jennings... But Albers. Apparently hyperfocusing on one middle reliever over the whole package is looking "realistically" at a bullpen? Um, OK. Sure, you go with that. So at those moments when you yourself "criticize irrationally", which you do from time to time, you would self-assess yourself as "irrational"? I mean, I would presume you are not exempting yourself from this statement.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 08:59 PM) C'mon, use some common sense…. If a guy has 10 AB's and gets 10 hits… he's batting 1.000.. if he then goes 20 AB's and gets 0 hits… even though he has exhibited terrible batsmanship during the last stretch of performance.. he's batting .300.. which normally is pretty good.. except it doesn't reflect the fact the current state of his performance, as it stands.... is a 000 average… pretty bad… On larger scale, lets' look at this example.. Kenny Williams was the GM when the Sox won the World Series in 05, but in the meantime.. one playoff appearance over going on 11 yrs, despite the fact that the playoffs have been expanded… understood, he hasn't been the GM over this entire stretch, but HE"S THE GM"S SUPERIOR Now, the apologists, as yourself.. stand fast in their believe that KW and the organization gets a break, and all the benefit of the doubt… And the only thing the whiny Sox fans want to do is focus on lackluster showing by the franchise over the past decade, instead of focusing on 2005 Thankfully you're just some dude spouting an opinion on an internet board, cause if you were the GM you'd have Estaban Loaiza signed cause he was 21-9 in 2003… because, hey, we should focus on the state and performance of a player.. when they looked good... So just so you know, when you dare to look back in time and point out the history of futility of the ballclub, be it either short term futility (last five years, eleven years) or long term futility (35 years), condemnation will be reigned upon you by SS2K5 fast and furious. He doesn't like that to be mentioned, and he will call you "bitter" for doing so. He just doesn't find it appropriate on a White Sox message board to express disappointment in the club's performance when it's been subpar. 'Sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows everywhere' is the only thing he has an appetite for. So just be careful is all I'm saying. I've been down this path before and have the battle scars to prove it!!

Silence is a powerful communication skill. I've always thought Hawk's employment of silence at certain key points in the game where the very obvious actions on the field tell the story themselves to be quite effective and appropriate.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 09:00 PM) No therefore I don't criticize. the Sox scouts led by Paddy and Hostetller don't go by BA rankings. They do their own. You are moaning just to moan. Actually, there was no moaning until you arrived in the discussion and brought the quality of the discourse way down by beginning to do so. That is your M-O around here - whining and moaning about one thing after another. It never ends with you (see hundreds and hundreds of threads with you whining and moaning about all things Caufield). You might want to look into curbing that behavior. Meanwhile, one wonders which players teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs, and the others sitting it out this year, which players they would have gone after. Answer - the ones on those top lists from BA, Fangraphs, etc. They would have gobbled those players up faster than Grant took Richmond. It's what they do year after year after year. But now in a year when none of those heavy hitters are in the mix to compete, you're telling us that Paddy and Hostetler are so much smarter than everybody else, that bypassing everyone on those top lists is somehow a sound, sage strategy. I suppose you reached that conclusion based on the routine success we've seen from Paddy since he took over his position six years ago. System is flush with international talent he's scouted and convinced to sign with the organization. Wait - no it's not.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 07:07 AM) Yet you don't even know what talent these players have. The Sox did sign 3 of the top 50. How many teams can say that? Besides you are dealing with 16 and 17 year olds here. It is a crapshoot for the most part. It would be interesting to see the top 30 7 years ago and see how that played out. Wasn't Adolpho ranked #2 when the Sox signed him? Here are the top 30 international bonuses from 2010 http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...11/2611344.html Doesn't look like many teams got a lot of bang out of their buck. Do you, Dick Allen? Do you have a view into the talent of any of the top 30 talent, such that would warrant and explain how or why the Sox would bypass going after these players?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 08:18 AM) Focusing on a top 30 list is an exercise in futility though. We have no idea if that top list is actually the top 30 players. They really like Josue Guerrero and gave him $1.1 million. That's more than some guys in the top 30 received. So chances are the names that appear on the top 25/30 lists for Baseball America, Fangraphs, and MLB.com don't represent a collective view of the top available international talent out there, that the Sox bypassing all of those guys is no big deal? Ok, I guess I didn't realize the bogus nature of all of those lists compiled by those reputable organizations. Just going to have to put all of our eggs in the basket of hope that the Sox front office, long known for their excellence in scouting, has somehow done a better job this go around than teams like the Padres and Braves, who did go after guys on the top 30. Fool's errand on their part?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 07:16 AM) Which of the top 30 would you have signed? That's irrelevant. The topic at hand is the routine incompetence of the Sox when it comes to competing for premium talent wherever it may be.

So with only 20 teams eligible to compete for the pedigree talent in the top 30 list this year, the Chicago White Sox were unable to sign anyone of those 30 players? Not one? With no competition from the likes of the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs and the Giants this year, the Sox still walked away with none of the premium talent available? I mean, that's insane. It's almost bordering on reckless negligence from this increasingly obvious incompetent front office. The Sox continue to display an unwillingness/inability to compete for premium talent, be it either in the international market, or free agent market, as we painfully witnessed last offseason. It would be one thing if that approach somehow managed to render sustainable winning results for the Major League ball club. It hasn't as we all know, not by a long shot. Unless there is a seismic shift in this losing strategy at some point, the brand of baseball we've witnessed for the past decade on the South Side will continue to repeat itself over and over and over again.

Lol - I'd hardly classify as "complete analysis" three sentences essentially saying the Sox will buy or sell based on how they do in July.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2016 -> 07:59 AM) Good lord. You could at least pretend to deal in reality. Of course this team has limited resources. You are just letting your bitterness taint your reality. The reality is that the Sox are a middle of baseball revenue team, with a less than middle of baseball fanbase. Your perception of their lease doesn't change the reality of what the impact of that lease is to the bottom line. A team like the Yankees quite literally has over double the revenue stream that the White Sox has. If you don't understand what the biggest teams in baseball make as compared to the White Sox, you might want to look up what the words "limited" and "resources" actually mean. Lol - it's your own special brand of bitterness that gets in the way of understanding simple math. You might want to see to work on that some. Meanwhile, there is no "perception" about the lease. There is a "reality" about the lease and a "reality" about the "bottom line". The reality about the lease is that it practically eliminates what is typically one of largest expense items subtracting to the "bottom line" - rent. And without that major expense, one which all other teams have to live with, it means our net income is far greater than it otherwise would be; hence, the Sox are by no means operating with "limited resources". This has nothing to do with the Yankees but all to do with the simple math of understanding revenues and expenses. Your routine yet irrational desire to paint a distorted view of that as it relates to the White Sox does nothing to change the reality.

Hawk is a legend and it's sad to see him approaching the end of a tremendous run on the South Side. While Jason is fine and I enjoy him, I still appreciate the uniqueness that is the one and only Hawk Harrelson.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Jun 30, 2016 -> 05:09 AM) It absolutely blows my mind that an organization like the Sox with supposedly limited resources has never followed the model of home grown drafted and developed players, but instead typically wastes millions on middle tier veteran players. These players are acquired either via free agency or worse, by trading what few decent cost controlled prospect for what amounts to short term rentals. Is this a blueprint for sustained success? 2005 was both the best and worst thing to happen to Sox fans. Can we dispel with this ridiculous and nonsensical myth already? The Chicago White Sox do NOT operate with "limited resources". Once and for all, understand that the sweetheart lease deal the team suckered the state into giving them over 25 years ago GUARANTEED them just the opposite. Taxpayer funds subsidize a very healthy profit margin for the ownership. That was the whole point of the sad debacle of Reinsdorf threatening to move the team to Florida, to put in place this deal to guarantee very little on the expense side of the ledger with a minuscule requirement for rent, while handing over to the team ALL of the revenue streams the ballpark has to offer. You add that the waterfall of revenue that comes through with the recent MLB TV deals, and the LAST thing anyone can conclude is that this ball club operates with "limited resources". It's beyond preposterous to even remotely suggest so.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 04:25 PM) Yes he did. However, do you really think he came up with the plan for the team on his own? Do you really think he told Hahn "this is what your plan is for the next three years?" I have no doubt he had a hand in it, however to continually blame him only for all of this is absurd. You are quite correct, and it should be pretty obvious to everyone that it all starts at the top of the house with Jerry Reinsdorf. By Williams' and Hahn's own acknowledgement, they get their marching orders from him. But the major decisions affecting the baseball side of the house aren't made by Reinsdorf in a vacuum. Those decisions are all co-developed among not only the three headed monster that is Jerry/Kenny/Rick, but also with inputs from Bell, Ventura, and Cooper as well. They collectively are and have been the White Sox braintrust for a long time now, and therein lies the problem: they have proven to be really lousy at what they do! For a very long time now this Sox management group has proven to be an ineffective unit at running a successful organization on the field. Unlike off the field and on the balance sheet and income statement, where the organization's finance guys seem to have things in fine working order, profit margins where they need to be and what not, the baseball minds, such as they are, have been subpar, no matter how you slice and dice it. For whatever reason, they simply cannot produce a sustainable, winnning product on the field. And how many years have they been at this as a tandem? 13, 14? It's kind of ridiculous at this point, if you think about it. So yes, Ptac, the blame and/or angst should not be laid at the feet of any one individual in the Sox front office. It's been a team effort, from the top on down. That's why the calls for a total house cleaning become louder and more convincing with each passing day.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 12:26 AM) A sell off come trading deadline 2016, all but crushes "the 3 yr plan" .. I don't think Kenny Hahn could possibly sit around and watch their hunk of junk be carted off to the scrap heap As a Sox fan, I can handle failure. What's almost impossible for me to absorb, is the lack of any sense that things in this organization will change. The successes this year have been encouraging, but the failures this year have been historic and crushing...all the way from the monumental fall from a 23-10 record, to the collapse of Shields, to a 16 and 19 record vs the Central, to hitting 7 homers in a game and losing, etc You have to wonder what in the hell is going on.. Yet I can almost guarantee the FO will point to the chance at WC 2, the improved record from 2015, and the opportunity to take one last shot at the Central with a Central heavy September schedule, as reasons why the FO is happy with the on and off field personnel. The Sox are second to last in the league in offense and a whopping 12 games under .500 in games not featuring a guy named Sale on the mound. Forget the "3 yr plan". It was a red herring in its intent to deflect attention away from last year's futile record at this time. We are probably due another BS explanation similar to the 3yr plan nonsense any day now.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Once again, Southsider, you are wrong. Argumentative, as usual, but still wrong. Oh boy, what about now!

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 08:44 PM) You are wasting their WAR on losing teams when you can trade them to contenders to acquire WAR in the form of players who can contribute in future seasons which is MUCH more valuable to this team. Agreed.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 08:33 PM) Hahn isn't going anywhere. This is year 2 of some sort of 3 year plan. A 500 finish this year will be an improvement over last year and a success in the eyes of Sox ownership. That is sooooooooooo 2015's excuse for the continued futility!

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 08:05 PM) Actually felt like last year's team had more potential if Samardzija and Melky got it going. This current team has too many mediocre players with low ceilings trying to cover the holes. I'm just talking about the actual baseball we are watching.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 08:00 PM) all good vibes dead we are 20th in OBP and 25th in SLG pitching is fine but not elite So we are a bad team. The team just doesn't feel any different than it did a year ago right now, two years ago right now, or even three years ago right now.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) Well I have seen enough for one night. Family Guy on in five minutes where I'm at...

QUOTE (JLarucci23 @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 07:21 PM) Shuck and Tim on first and second with no outs. You don't bunt that early in the game at home, especially with a guy who can handle the bat like Eaton.

Frazier out avi'd Avi on that swing, which is not easy to do.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) I'm enjoying Anderson on defense. +1