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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) So bitter. I have no idea why you still watch. Lol - well that's an easy one to answer. I watch because I am a fan - long suffering, admittedly, like yourself, what with the team's poor track record over the years and all, but a fan nonetheless. I'm also particularly interested now that there's an outside chance the team could slip into the playoffs. That doesn't happen very often for us as you know, so I remain hopeful that it does, and then, who knows? Once yer in, anything can happen! And maybe if they do make it to the postseason this year and proceed to make a good run at it while they're in there, you might just actually be able to provide an answer to the "What's your favorite playoff memory outside of 2005?" question. That seemed to be a stickler for you the first time you were asked.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 04:21 AM) Live in the moment. When the Sox finish 79-83, be happy you saw some OK players take the field for the Sox. Sadly, this is what a half a century's worth of ineptitude can do to a fan base. "Be happy" for a "79-83" record because you got to see "some OK players take the field for the Sox"? I mean, really? You are perfectly fine settling for that because, why? We can tell a Cubs fan we've been to the World Series more recently than their team has? Really? Do Cardinals or Yankees or Giants or Red Sox fans have this kind of mindset and set the bar this low? Holy moly - Sox management must love you. "Accept our mediocrity, don't be mad at our routine meager results, and oh, by the way, while yer at it, come to our park, buy our tickets, purchase our parking, food and merchandise, and watch us on TV. And oh, how do ya like our OK players? Don't they look great in the '83 unis?" Lol - GMAFB!!

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Aug 2, 2015 -> 07:14 AM) Everything about the Blackout game, including Alexei's grand slam a couple days before if we're counting it. Lol - I'm counting neither, actually. The "Blackout" game to which you are referring wasn't technically a playoff game, but rather the tie breaking game of the regular season that year, game #163. But I will give you it had the fun, energy and excitement of a playoff game. And god knows our fan base has been deprived of that experience over the years (just five measly trips to the postseason over the past - get this - 55 years!), so no wonder we made the most of it that particular day. And also no wonder with such a lack of postseason exposure in your lifetime with this team that you were inclined to reach back for the Alexei grand slam to answer my question. That was very telling in and of itself!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) That is probably my absolute favorite non-playoff related highlight. Outside of 2005, what are your favorite "playoff related highlights"?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) If you want to sum it up. The front office just said f*** the playoff spot. That's really what happened here. I'm not 100% sure about that. I think trading Shark would have conveyed that message.

Wow - that Juan Marichal footage was pretty amazing

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 01:24 PM) It is in the exact context it was presented in. If you don't want it there, don't add it into the argument. Problem solved. LOL - problem solved will be you just going back to what you do best, which is your negative nattering about the fan base. I'll just go on and continue to enjoy discussing things with those posters who actually understand what's going on.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) The context is all there. You are keep trying to pull back to generations earlier and use it against the team, but then try to claim that you aren't using as a reason for 2015. It is trying to have it both ways. It is really obvious, even if you don't want to admit it. I honestly don't think you will ever be able to have a "reasonable" conversation on this topic, because the grudge and anger here seem to run really deep, which is why the same posts about 35 and 55 years ago keep coming up over and over and over again in so many other topics and threads. Referring back to the 1960's/70's/80's fan bases, in multiple conversations about attendance in 2015, but trying to claim they weren't about attendance in 2015 is disingenuous at best. You can rant and get angry all you want, but the point you were trying to make is obvious, even as you retreat from it because you see how absurd it is. If you didn't want to make the point, you wouldn't have mentioned it in the first place in the context that you did. No, it is not. And so if you are going to respond to me, either figure out a way to put what I say in it's proper context, or just refrain from responding at all as your point of view is just not credible in the least. Thank you.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:31 PM) Yes, every post you have made has been very clear. Fans aren't going to games today because we didn't go to the enough playoffs in the 1960's. Why don't you BOLD the ENTIRE sentence you SELECTIVELY bolded from that previous post of mine you included in your last post, and then explain how you are tragically trying to show how that statement, TAKEN IN ITS PROPER ENTIRETY AND CONTEXT, supports what you are claiming is my intended message in your bolded statement above. Go ahead. Do it. Then maybe we can conduct this conversation in a reasonable manner.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 08:45 PM) Let Shark finish this. Only 99 pitches through eight - why not!!

Only 73 pitches through six innings.

Visions of Dwayne Wise holding onto a ball when he hit the ground after he stole a homer, protecting a certain perfect game....

Holy cow!!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:03 PM) Your attempt at "explaining" was a feeble attempt to have it both ways. You are flat out referring to the 1960's as a reason the Sox don't have fans who go to games in 2015, but are trying to deny it in the same breath. Trying to use what happened in 1960 as a reason why people don't go to Sox games in 2015 is quite literally the worst reason I have ever heard given to be a bandwagon fan. If you want to be miserable and bitter about what happened 10, 20, 30, 40, 50+ years ago, feel free. But don't lie about it. The only thing feeble here is your reading and comprehension capabilities. I have never said, NOT ONCE, that what happened in the year 1960 is having an impact on the year 2015. When I bring 1960 up in any context, it is to state that it's the starting point of a very poor 55 YEAR RUN for our franchise, a run where we've only made it to the postseason five times. I am commenting on a period of time and not one year. It supports the greater narrative as to why the Sox have struggled with attention for the past half century. Every post I've made on this topic has been crystal clear on this point. For you to continually twist my words and regurgitate a wholly inaccurate version of what I said is really unfortunate and quite sad on your part.

Enjoying the back and forth between Hawk and Stone offering their perspectives on the career of Pedro.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 09:05 PM) They have been making these plans for over a decade. It didn't just show up this summer. Again, that shows you don't understand what is going on, nor the history behind it. Yes, Professor, I have no ability to understand the concept of forecasting. Way beyond me. What's not beyond me is the ability to call out the so-called "3 year plan" being used as a way by Williams to explain away the massive underachieving of the ballclub last month. Again, if you understood what was really going on, it would be very obvious.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:45 PM) I always understood the three year plan as us always planning out three years from the current year. Tactically, yes. All teams have some sort of forecasting mechanism they use to help guide their decision making process. Williams, on the other hand, used reference to this plan last month as a way to publicly placate the fans over this year's performance, to divert their attention from what's not happening this year to what could happen in Year 3, that magical Year 3.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:41 PM) Um, you reach back to 1960 very regularly. In fact, you did it in the very post where you are trying to argue you don't. Not only that, you did it thrice. And in what context do I consistently refer to 1960? (Hint - I just explained it to you.)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:13 PM) The Sox don't "constantly" talk about the 3 year plan. Fans who don't understand the concept do. That's what I just said. They didn't talk about it over the winter, they didn't talk about it in spring training, but all of a sudden when we find ourselves in last place in June - POOF! There is this "3 Year Plan". Absolute, total gimmick. Fans who don't understand what's going on here fall for this cheap stunt.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:12 PM) A forward thinker isn't using what happened in 1960 as a reason for not doing something in 2015. That is the exact opposite of forward thinking. That is up there with seat color and the what the teams profits from 2006 were as "good" reasons to not go to games in 2015, for the most ridiculous stuff I have read on Soxtalk. LOL - what in the Sam h-e-double-toothpick are you talking about! Honestly, in your fervor to superficially bash the fans every chance you get, you seem to lose the ability to process what people post around here. I've never once reached back to 1960 to find a reason for why a Sox fan today might not tune into or attend a game of the 2015 team. The performance of this year's team has given them ample reason to stay away. When I bring up Reinsdorf's horrendous record as owner of the Sox during these past 35 years that have very little to show in terms of achievement, and even worse (as if possible, but it is!), the combined records of the Veeck/Allyn ownerships dating back to 1960, it's to explain why we don't have the robust fan base today one would expect a large market team to have. The putrid results of the last 55 years, including the 35 years of the most recent owner, have been less than desirable. Unless I'm wrong about that, SS2K. Is my assessment of the Reinsdorf years wrong, or that of the past 55 years? Because if I am wrong, please! Explain to me the error of my ways - provided your explanation doesn't include a misguided and inaccurate blaming of the fans. That dog won't hunt.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:15 PM) How can anyone feel sorry for Danks is beyond me. He got paid either way. The Cubs had the courage today to cut their on-field losses with Edwin Jackson and just release the guy, even with $15M still left to go on his contract. For the sake of "Year 2" of our recently-minted "3 Year Plan", one would hope Sox management might take a similar approach sooner rather than later with Danks.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) In virtually every post, we are reminded of 35 years and/or 55 years. Yeah, that's not a grudge, lol. It is a virtual old man yelling at people to stay off his lawn, and talking about how good he had it in his day. And yet here you are, still complaining day after day after day about this franchise... after 35 years of disappointment. Apparently after 35 years of such a miserable existence, you are still here? You still haven't learned a lesson after 55 years? Sorry, who is the backwards thinker? Ah, but yet I am a forward thinker, you see. One who looks forward with boundless hope to the dawn of a new day for the Chicago White Sox when a new and far more effective ownership and management team comes in and takes over, and all of the ill-begotten strategies and approaches of the past 35 years are swept to the curb. That day will come, but until then, I'll continue to accurately assess the current state of things, and where I see fit to point out the shortcomings of the current ownership and management team for their continuous failure, I will.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) I want to put something out there, because it seems it isn't as common of knowledge as I thought, but as long as Kenny Williams has been the White Sox GM, and until today, the White Sox have always had a 3 year plan. This isn't a new concept. There have always been stories about writers trying to figure out who is on Kenny's vaunted 3 year board. I can't believe how many people get duped by this "3 year plan" nonsense. It's nothing more than a gimmick to get you to take your eye off the problems of today and think about some promised land that is close, but not too close, in the future. Did Williams or Hahn even once refer to 2015 as Year 1 of this 3 Year Plan we're now hearing about at Soxfest? Was there any mention of Year 1 in spring training? Or did it just conveniently come up last month in front of reporters as a way to divert attention away from the club's poor performance this season? It's like visions of Year 3 is some feel good drug to make us all go away and feel really good about some magical point in the future while at the same time, forgetting about the teams's real issues today. I wonder if execs from teams like the St. Louis Cardinals and S.F. Giants constantly talk about 3 year plans the way our so-called brain trust does.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:00 AM) To the fan who is holding grudges over 35 and 55 year periods? That doesn't surprise me at all. But then, that is our fan base. I know it's inconvenient for you to offer up anything that might remotely resemble being critical of Sox ownership and management, but if you think pointing out the absolutely wretched record of achievement of this organization (only 5 playoff appearances over the past 55 years!) is simply me holding a grudge, then I don't know what to tell ya. If you are satisfied with the results of this half past century, then I also don't know what to tell ya. What I will tell you is that it's backwards thinking and flat out unfair to somehow blame the fans for this. The fans have certainly done their fair share to make Jerry Reinsdorf a very rich man over the past 35 years. He's come a long, long ways since his initial $20M investment. He's just come up way short on his part of the bargain, and there is no way to argue otherwise.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 06:54 PM) Casual fans are a large portion of our fan base. It is why we aren't able to have the patience that other teams do with their building process. Instead of being able to invest the time, we get the OMG 35 years! OMG 55 years! OMG White Flag... group that needs a long list of things to be right before they are willing to go to games. It is why the Sox are constantly trying to rush the rebuilds. If the Sox fan base had any loyalty to it, things could be done differently. LOL - backwards thinking, at its best!!