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QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 18, 2010 -> 12:58 PM) Everyone also seemed to sort of think we'd be OK because of our great starting staff. Read the prediction thread for the season. Lots of high win totals in there. Deep down most figured we'd be a reasonably good team with any offense at all. i wasn't one of them i said all offseason to trade either danks or floyd in a package for AGON . all i heard was trade our strength of one of the best starting staffs . my reply was and still is how do they rate a as a great starting staff they haven't accomplished anything . come on out there where are you now with our great yeah most of you said great starting pitching other then danks there at best avg .

I would love to have MR. Guillen take a swing at me . I would end his managing the rest of the 2010 season .

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 10:19 PM) I wouldn't be able to relate. I've never failed so miserably at my job. Me to i can't relate cause if i failed as miserably at my job i wouldn't be here to read soxtalk and many of my co workers wouldn't be alive either .

if you think because there not in a dome now and the sox all of sudden will beat them in minny your mistaken. it wasnt the dome that beat the sox there it was the twins. i mean the angels yankees and others beat the crap out of them last year in the dome . maybe the dome had something to do with some of there wins but come on be realistic

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Feb 21, 2010 -> 02:10 PM) For some reason I used to like checking the weather outside of the dome last season and so many times it was s***ty while inside of course it was perfect. I want to see how they do with rain delays and wet fields and wind and cold and soaring humidity, all of the elements that other AL central teams deal with consistently at home. And while the turf is notoriously rough on knees and backs, I wouldn't rule out more injuries as a result of the changing weather, in particular, the cold to start and end the season. like every other team i mean they played 81 road games the adjustment is small

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Feb 21, 2010 -> 03:19 PM) Why is Ozzie not an option? funny and maybe true

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Feb 21, 2010 -> 03:27 PM) I'm confused.... You said "Capable doesn't provide a sense of likelihood?" But then went on tho say that several of those players have averaged close to 15HRs. It seems to me that the fact that you pointed out the players average 15 HRS would at the very least indicate a capability to do so...no? (AJ, Teahen, Beckham) The remaning few that don't avg 15hrs in the Sox lineup actually average more for their careers (PK, CQ, Alexei, Rios, Jones) So the fact that Jones hit 17 Hrs in 281 ABs doesn't inspire power confidence? That would be 34 Hrs for 562 at-bats. Jones hit 8 fewer HRs than Jermaine Dye last season in over 200 fewer ABs. twins lineup but not there batting order span 8 to 12 hrs cf hudson 12 to 15 2nd mauer 20 to 25 c morneiu 30 to 35 1st cuddeyer 25 to 30 rf kubel 25 to 30 lf dh ? hardy 15 to 20 ss young 12 to 15 lf dh ? thome 12 to 20 dh depending on abs tolbert 12 to 15 3rd ? i think he is playing 3rd well you may be right that they don't have 8 guys who will hit 15 hrs but possibly 10? but i dought that . but they do have 5 guys im sure will hit 20 to 30 and that the sox don't have. the twins im sure will hit 30 to 35 more hrs then the sox depending on injuries and how there new stadium plays . but for me i rather have there lineup over ours anyday and twice on sunday .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2010 -> 09:09 AM) Games won are about the worst measure of a pitching staff. You pretty much admitted the flaw in your argument when you talked about losing low scoring games. That isn't the fault of the pitching staff, and it doesn't make them mediocre, or whatever you think they are. They are a top 5 staff in all of baseball 1-4. there a top five staff in all of baseball why because some sports writer said so ? like i said let the season play out then lets talk

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jan 9, 2010 -> 09:33 AM) 534.1 innings through the age of 24 is rather impressive, some would say it's a real serious accomplishment. When you factor in that he only had 70.2 innings in triple a, which could very well be one of the reasons why he was as bad as he was in 2007 (plus numerous other reasons). He has been very good for us the past two seasons. You are highly underrating him. Also, i'm gonna pretend that you ever used wins and losses as any sort of argument. thats just it im not underrating him i said he was good others here are overrating him

ok he is a great pitcher so lester must be even greater or what term do i use please don't compare stats Danks to Lester . this whole arguement is about the word its self GREAT PLEASE tell me how this pitching staff is great ? like i said its good but not great not yet and why not use wins and losses to compare a great pitcher in the end isn't that what seperates a great pitcher from good or ok pitcher. i read here before how vasques was this and that but if we don't look at his late season pitching or as most here put it the important or pressure big games then his overall numbers are well great . so that makes him great ? and some body brings up HALLADAY TO . OH please are you saying Danks will be or is in the same group of pitchers as a Roy Halladay ? then somebody takes out Danks rookie season stats why ? well we will see how great this pitching staff is i have a feeling many here will be disappointed that there not great they are good but not good enough to carry a fairly weak defensive and a low offensive production team . i don't believe our lineup as it sits now will produce enough day in a day out to win . now if this was a great pitching staff or rotation we would still win there is a big difference in being good then being great .

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Jan 9, 2010 -> 05:38 AM) Why is it when Boston does this they are smart. When the White Sox do it they are stupid? he did not say the sox were stupid

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 9, 2010 -> 05:07 AM) Your perspective here is strange to me. First, your logic of if the rotation doesn't pitch well we'll have a bad season, applies to every team in baseball. It also applies to every position in baseball. So instead, tey this perspective - how many teams in baseball look to you like their rotations will be better BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW. Not "if this guy does unusually bad/good". Also, starting pitchers like Danks are a lot harder to replace than 1B's. not 1st baseman like agon there not . what has danks accomplished that makes him so great ? so irreplaceable ? if he was righthanded he is avg at best so because he is lefthanded he is irreplaceable and is a great pitcher i guess its me but for me to say someone anyone is great i want to see some real serious accomplishments . Danks 31-33 win loss era 4.06 i admit he is still young and he will get better but he is not at this time in his career a great pitcher . he is good . and like the old zen master said will see .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2010 -> 04:46 AM) You aren't really discounting the rotation because of one guys win total from last year, are you? No but how can people say its a great rotation Floyd has been inconsistant as to has Danks. and buehrle in recent years has been avg the second have last year was below avg . Peavy was hurt last year so his numbers are not enough to really judge . i guess what i am saying is will see . but i can't label 3 13 game winners and a hurt guy from last year an say its a great rotation. i know i will get slammed i will get what buehrle did in 2005 and no hitter perfect game . i say the rotation is good not great until they do something even cooper said that and he is there pitching coach . and i still would package danks to get AGON . We led the league in quality starts last year but we won 79 games . do you remember all thoses 2-1 3-2 games we lost or the 0-2 1-3 games we lost but were quality starts . we need another area of our team to depend on other then these 4 to 5 guys .

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 8, 2010 -> 11:57 AM) I just do not feel comfortable breaking up the 1-4 without adding something to that. 1-3 with a shaking 4-5 is not appealing. We finally have a great rotation, one of the best in the bigs, I don't want to mess with that so we can find our power stroke again. Otherwise we are basically the same team we were last year, relying on our power to get wins. A great rotation ? That is a bit much i mean what have they accomplished to be consider a Great rotation ? I notice a lot of people here putting all the hopes of this team into the 4 or 5 starting pitchers . Well i hope you are all right because if these 4 or 5 guys don't pitch great we will be seeing another sub 500 year . for me trading one of them of Danks or Floyd in a package to get AGON i would do in a heart beat especially Danks 1 13 win season is not greatness .