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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 07:03 AM) Leury is STILL barely behind Abreu in fWAR, 1.7 to 1.6. SANCHEZ at 1.1 and holding. I understand that Leury has had a better season, but I still think Sanchez is the better player.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) Now that Moncada is the everyday second baseman, the Sox have a surplus of utility infielders. Sanchez, Saladino, Davidson, Hanson, and Leury are all capable of stepping into the 3B/DH roles, and one would have to assume that Davidson is taking up one of those spots every day. With teams like Tampa Bay and Washington potentially needing infield help, I can definitely see Yolmer being moved at the deadline since he won't find much playing time here. I think Sanchez is the best of all the guys you listed, and I don't think he'd bring back a significant return. IMO

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 07:49 AM) I'm not convinced we have enough MLB caliber starters at all. Me either. The only time there's ever a "problem" from surplus is if you don't have ABs for guys in the same position in the MiLB. Any other time, we just trade the surplus for upgrades where we need them. That's why it's best to always focus on BPA.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) Yeah, which sucked. You don't need to trade into a rotten market if you control the guy for 3.5 more years. Then I would have had to go onto your next sentence, which talks about relievers getting injured that see velocity spikes. ' Blah, blah...it was a f***ing light return. I don't know what to tell you, man. If you gotta feel bad about it, then I guess you gotta feel bad about it. I thought you said EYE was the one being a wet blanket, lol.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 10:26 PM) This is an oversimplification that doesn't address actual market value of the asset today. Under these assumptions, we might win any deal wherein we trade a player today for a player tomorrow. That's not a reasonable analysis. You had to go onto the next sentence, where I argued that the amount of time spent on the deal likely ensures that we received market value.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:39 PM) So Fathom and I were discussing this...does anyone have Milb TV? And if so, is it worth it? I've had it in the past. The quality of the feeds varies greatly, but they're improving all the time. If you're going to watch AA/AAA, you're generally going to see a really professional setup. Gets sketchier lower than that, and not every short season team even has a stream. But it's really cheap, and the quality is plenty good enough to get a look at the guys in the mid and upper levels. Definitely worth it if you actually want to watch on a consistent basis.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:47 PM) 3 good at bats today for Moncada. One long AB walk, one barely missed a double, line drive right at CF. Yep, he looked like a patient hitter today, and that's something we've needed for years.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:35 PM) Didn't see the Anderson bunt. Are u all positive he didn't run it out? That's a no no from a youngster. Wonder if the media will ask Renteria about it. Probably would be a tough question to ask considering the game means nothing at this stage of the season. Probably no need to cause a scene but if he didn't hustle ... scary. It isn't that he didn't run it out -- it's that he didn't run out of the box. I don't think it was a lack of hustle as much as a mental error. He made contact, assumed it was a sacrifice, then started to run hard when he realized he could be doubled up. Dumb play, but a specific kind.

I think you guys are making it more complicated than it is. There doesn't have to be an obvious winner or loser. We traded present value for future value, it's that simple. Kahnle may turn elite, Rutherford may bust, but it doesn't matter -- Kahnle wasn't going to win championships for us, but Rutherford might. With as long as we've been obviously shopping all of our guys, I'm going to have a hard time believing that Hahn hasn't held out for max value. I understand if "max value" turns out to be less than we hoped or thought, but it is what it is. It's possible that Kahnle returns more next year, but given the high injury rate of relievers combined with the extremely high injury rate of pitchers who see sudden, substantial velocity spikes, it's at least as likely that he returns less or nothing. Sometimes the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) Already making me look like a slacker. Thank you for the welcome everyone. You can be the warn clicker!

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:55 PM) Waivers. Yeah man I just don't see anyone willing to give up anything for him, given what Martinez returned.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 10:15 AM) I presume we won't get the type of offer we'd like to move Jose. This

Thanks guys! I've already deleted posts!

Let's try to minimize references to genitalia, children.

I think everyone's sleeping on Tito Polo

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:53 PM) Nobody is up in arms. Seriously, the only people freaking out about the deal are the ones telling the people who don't love it that they're wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:49 PM) You are like the proverbial wet towel lately. I'm just trying to be realistic. It's weird, too, considering how insane the talent we've gotten is, that we should be all up in arms for only getting one top 50 prospect for our relievers, lol. I mean, guys. As of today, this MIGHT be the most talent the Sox have EVER had in their system. You can't ask for more than that.

QUOTE (Enscheff @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:37 PM) Packaging several pieces with limited value to get a significant prospect in return was a masterstroke by Hahn. ChiSox fans should be ecstatic. Hahn is orchestrating the first year of this rebuild to perfection. I've been clamoring for the Braves to do the same thing with 2-3 of Phillips, Garcia, Suzuki, Adams and some BP pieces, but unfortunately they seem to be under the silly notion they are still in contention. Agreed. I know we got all pumped up, but Frazier/Robertson was NEVER bringing back Groome/Chavis or whatever. I'm shocked he was able to consolidate it all like that, but I'm glad he did.

QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) I see no reason why the White Sox couldn't just eat that Headley contract for next year to get better prospects. We have no money committed for next year. The Yankees are trying to get under the luxury tax for next year. Luis Robert acquisition is my guess at why they aren't eating a ton of money.

I'd be totally happy if its just the 3.

Ok -- after seeing that bunt attempt, which was the worst baseball play of the year, I'm now convinced the White Sox are losing on purpose.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) Let's strive mightily to win the game because it's more fun to win then lose Ahh, so you like an approach of alternating wins and losses? Interesting.

I just don't see Avi as part of our next contender, and I don't think there's any way he's ever going to have a BETTER season, so I'm all for moving him for a decent offer, despite his youth.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 02:46 PM) How does that change his evaluation of his defense though? Makes it easier to put up with.

Guys: Read the question. "How do you rate the rebuild SO FAR?" SO FAR The OP was just asking about the deals that have been made vs. those we may have missed. This is not a thread about the philosophy of rebuilding or an assessment of Jerry Reinsdorf's career legacy.