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Bob nightingale tho

This isn’t uncommon — you need someone to continue to operate during the transition, and these guys will be assumed to essentially get an audition to stick around when the next leader comes in.

Important first step. If the next GM is an internal promotion, nothing changes. If it’s a good external hire, who knows, we may have some hope.

I have no doubt in my mind this is just the beginning of a PR campaign to get a new stadium, but: Jerry Reinsdorf will go down in history as an all-time, inner-circle HOF piece of s%*#, and it's one of the few things that almost literally every sports fan on Earth can agree on.

lol

Replacing any single piece from the org is shuffling deck chairs on the titanic

Well. I mean you’re only hearing one side of a story here. And really not much of that side. Also, if they don’t live in Chicago, I’m not sure that not having access to the daycare while they’re in town playing would constitute “uprooting” a kid from their favorite teachers and friends. Idk, farbeit for me to give this FO the benefit of the doubt, but if this is a thing where a former player would normally get a favor/exception/warmer welcome when back in town — the dude decided to burn a bridge for what seems like no real gain, I feel like you gotta assume you aren’t gonna get favors granted after that. And he’s making like $800k this year, so it’s not like they can’t handle childcare. But the real question is: why did you specifically want mine/elrockin’s opinions here lol. Just seems random

*eyeballs emoji*

…yes?

Eh, doesn’t change anything at all for me. When you sign a deal like that, it’s about more than money, it’s about settling somewhere with your family. That sell off, which everyone saw coming, was basically a bait and switch for the players involved, who went from being able to choose their destiny to having it chosen for them inside of 12 months. To not only do that to a guy but also send him to the only team that won’t let him settle his family how he wants it’s pretty low. I’d think sending some mfs his direction was warranted, tbh. Doesn’t mean Loria shouldn’t have made the trade, just means you reap what you sow. If you decide to f*** someone for the sake of the business, expect to be treated like you just fucked someone for the sake of the business, that’s all.

The thing is, Benintendi could have had an average year and this would still be a disaster. I mean, the White Sox richest free agent deal in franchise history was to a league average-ish left fielder. This whole thing, this whole “plan,” it was just never going to work out.

We’ve been Stockholm Syndrome’d into only considering a pool of six people already involved with the team as the only possibilities to run it. I don’t see Ozzie as a comparison point to Grifol, with pros and cons — I see Ozzie as another node in a long list of abject failures that have run this team over my lifetime. Resist the temptation to crave past abuses. It’s all a s%*# show and we need to move forward.

Sox: the goal is to position ourselves for sustained success Also Sox: now is not the time for player development

RIP what’s left of his career

Has there ever been a group of sports executives that have had the opportunity to make a pile of failures this high? Like is it actually possible to be MORE sure that you need to fire your management team?

I mean. he’s not wrong

I think they’ll sign at least one 4th starter for $10-15M, and then add one or two low cost flyers on veterans that used to be good. And then those prospects will compete with the vets in ST.

I don't think that, I think the FO is thinking about 2024 only, because there's no other option in JR's universe. It's unimaginable to do another full rebuild, in a much worse position than last time, and there's nothing they can really do to overhaul. They know they're living on borrowed time; they're going to keep rolling the dice until they're fired.

I voted A. I was able to arrive at this conclusion because I never thought for a moment that a true rebuild was on the table, and when you've been abused for so many years, you start to accept messed up things as ordinary. Given the constraint that 2024 was going to be a re-tool, I think Hahn did as well as I could have imagined in taking advantage of a strong sellers market to extract a substantial amount of value from his pending free agents. I was impressed by literally all of the returns, as well as the sheer number of trades he made. All the FAs out the door except Grandal, right? I expect the White Sox to ruin the careers of all the prospects they received, and for Hahn to spend all of the payroll space he has on 1.5 WAR free agents and enter 2024 with a worse roster than he had in 2023. Go Sox.

Coming in late here, but here's my take: At some point, you gotta trade some of these first basemen instead of continuing to play them out of position. I like Burger, but he's a low-OBP designated hitter on a team that doesn't need that. It's a shame it took this long for these morons to start trading depth for needs, but here we are. I hope the "player development staff" has identified something specific with Eder, because he's had a really rough year in terms of his stuff and projection. But if they do think they can fix him, it's a really solid return for a one-dimensional player, and I expect the reason they were able to get this much was because of Burger's five year of control.

I know I keep saying this, but I just don’t see any indication at all that this org is intending to rebuild. The only thing theyve done is concede 2023. All the players they traded are pending free agents. I don’t think they have the nuts for another rebuild. There’s no argument that could possibly justify NOT cleaning out the FO first, and there’s nothing the current FO can say about how they’d do it differently this time around. I truly don’t see any other path than “half-ass contend every season” ad nauseam until the firing squad finally comes. I think RH is going to get one more chance and a $30M offseason budget to make it work, business as usual. It’s unquestionably the right baseball move to rebuild, but there’s zero incentive for the current leadership to do it. They’ll roll the dice again and deal with the outcome when it happens.

One thing Hahn can do: tear it down. That’s another return that is simply much better than what you’d get in an average deadline market.

I have absolutely no faith at all in this org to develop these players, but this is a really good get for two non-elite rentals

I just can’t ever get out of my head that the Sox developed Marcus Semien, whose only flaw was that he had no position, and he turned into a gold glove SS and got 40% better as a hitter within 12 months of getting traded. Whatever Gonzalez and Montgomery turn into, and I’m confident they’ll be good players, it’s almost certain they’d be so much better anywhere else and it’s so sad.