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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 28, 2016 -> 10:37 AM) I can see the Rangers getting in on a Sale trade. Sale, Abreu, and Lawrie (if they want him) for Odor, Mazara, Mendez, Taveras, and maybe Gallo I just think that's too much MLB subtraction to make sense for them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) It is worth mentioning that they have both great pitching, and they have some interesting really young guys out of Latin America and Cuba that would be guys who could be in the tail end of a deal. Indeed, and specifically Yadier Alvarez. I think the current FanGraphs prospect guy actually thinks he's the top prospect in the system. Super young, but ace-level stuff and projection.

Manny Machado is going to be the 2019 AL MVP... you heard it hear first.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 28, 2016 -> 01:18 AM) You're banned.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 01:04 PM) Yuck From what I've heard, Calhoun profiles as a near can't-miss stick. Rare combo of poop and excellent bat control. Buuuuuuuuuut he's a DH. I guess they have SOME hope that they might be able to let him stand at 2B and be passable if they shift enough. Sounds like a Kendrys Morales (pre-catastrophic leg injury) profile. EDIT: lol *pop. Not poop. Leaving it in for hi8is

QUOTE (Carpe Diem @ Nov 27, 2016 -> 07:23 PM) Anyone who carries political views into sports is a dumbf*** in my opinion. I'm part of the Angry Middle so take my word for what you want, but who the hell cares what side of the isle they are if they can help the team win.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 06:29 PM) It's pretty messed up and disgraceful from "professionals" but these are teenagers and boys will be boys. No excuse. We were all teenagers too, and we didn't sexually abuse anyone.

Honestly, why is anyone upset about this? What else is Frazier going to say? I wouldn't want him to think anything else.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) Not having read all of these posts, in the various related threads, the question that keeps nagging me is; How long would it take, and with what probability, could this team build a contender, with both Sale and Quintana gone? This question is particularly relevant if the Sox focus upon position players, in their return of prospects. I think the answer is pretty much always 3 years. In today's game, what with more playoff teams than ever and more ways to infuse your team with amateur talent than ever, it's tough to argue that any team is ever more than 3 years away. Now, that doesn't mean they won't screw it up or get unlucky. But at any given time, I think you are three years of reasonable luck/decisions from contention.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 11:52 AM) Then the White Sox likely move on from the Braves Maitan, while a good looking player, is too risky for the Sox to have as a main piece coming back to them as he is years away from contributing...if ever I like Albies, but far more would have to be coming back to the Sox Yeah, I agree. I don't really see a fit.

I'd imagine that Atlanta feels it would be pointless to move Inciarte/Swanson in a Sale deal (since they are MLB pieces), so I'd think the highest assets available would be Maitan/Albies.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 09:02 AM) So my understanding of all of the new stats is limited since I just don't get it (WAR is wins above replacement...the replacement being who they replaced, or is it the next best average ball player? Help me out here if you can.) A "replacement player" refers to the production of, essentially, a typically available AAA replacement.

The word on Maitan is very strong. He's super young, but I think people think of him as a front-end talent. But yeah, if neither him nor Swanson is on the table, there isn't anything to talk about.

If nothing else, it seems like the Astros are expecting to make a big trade at some point. Reed, Bregman, and Colin Moran all need places to play. Hard to believe they signed Gurriel without the intent to give him a job.

I'll be Cashman.

I don't understand the outrage on this one. This is, at most, a slight snub.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 10:41 AM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...p;year=&t=b May was his bad month. Everything else, he was decent to pretty good Plus he was returning from a pretty serious injury, thus providing a pretty good excuse for a slow start.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 09:00 AM) Archer isn't as good as Sale No, but two extra years of control at no extra cost is substantial.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 08:35 PM) Behahahahahahhaha - dude hit like 295 with an obp of 350 or something with around 20DRS and what 20 sb at a premium CF position. Yea... f*** that throw in. ????

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) According to Jonah Birenbaum of The Score, a Red Sox deal involving Chris Sale would include Benintendi, Devers, and Kopech. https://twitter.com/Pete_BBS/status/798949568733966336 Is that a rumor source, or just a writer/jockey giving an opinion?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) Heyward had a lot more of a track-record and is more physically gifted, so I think people see him as a guy who could have even expanded from there. Eaton's track record is still good, just not the long span that Heyward had. Heyward has essentially 4 seasons of 6 WAR (a few just a bit above and one that I'm counting that was at 5.8). That is in his first six seasons. His last two entering free agency were a 6.2 and a 6.5 and was only going to be 26 during the first year of his contract. Eaton, to his own defense, has put up a 5.2 and a 6.2 in two of the last three years and even his down year was a 3.9. Case in point, not a ton of difference necessarily between the two, just one had a longer track record and a bigger reputation, but both are damn good players. I'd say that Eaton was far more underappreciated but part of that is Heyward was so hyped coming up, etc. If Adam were a free agent this year, he'd get a big contract ($100M plus for sure). You can see why teams would want him, but we also have years of control over him and I would hope intend to compete during the reign where he'd still be in his "prime" years. Either way, Adam Eaton is a good problem to have. Yeah, this ^. Way longer resume, and one that included a 20+ homer season. Also two years younger. And of course, the contract looks absolutely terrible one season later.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 12:10 PM) I believe if Adam Eaton were a free agent today, he would exceed the deal that either player got as a FA. You think Eaton gets >$150mm on the market today? I'm sorry, I just can't get there. I wish I had time to look up comps and dig deeper. Would be an interesting question to ask a FanGraphs guy to look into. I think he's more like $80mm in a normal year, maybe $100mm in a historically weak class like this. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Yes but he has been a top 10 WAR player for a year and a half, even when he was negative in CF. in 2015. He is signed so cheaply, and is controlled as long as guys who just completed their rookie seasons. If teams refuse to run on him and that hurts his WAR, that shows a problem with the WAR. Players not even attempting to take another base is a pretty valuable commodity to have in an OF. It is, indeed, probably the biggest drawback in the field of measuring defense -- the fact that the chances aren't equally distributed like at bats. But, yes, while holding runners from advancing is definitely valuable and definitely not accounted for, it is much less valuable than gunning them down. It isn't fair, but it's the truth. Eaton's team this year will enjoy the benefit of his reputation on runners, but it's very unlikely to get the "wins" he earned this year out of those throwouts. They just aren't likely to happen again. It's certainly POSSIBLE, but he's probably more of a 3-4 win guy going forward. And so I think that's what teams are seeing in his value. That's still valuable, mind you.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 11:57 AM) Seeing what Ellsbury and Crawford pulled down on the free agent market, I don't know that I agree with that. On the contrary, I think those examples actually help prove the point. Both of those guys got that money when they started hitting homers. The contract year's for each of those guys were 150 wRC+ and 132 wRC+ respectively. Eaton's recent big season came on the back of a 115 wRC+.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 11:49 AM) Yep. My post was supposed to be a response to the guy who suggested we get Seager back lol QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 11:53 AM) It's the same thing with the Mookie Betts trade "scenarios". Right. I know it hurts a lot of posters to hear it, but we all need to realize that Chris Sale is NOT the most valuable asset in the MLB, lol.

I love Eaton, but I don't think ANY team thinks he's a 6 win player going forward. The problem with deriving so much value from your arm is that people stop giving you the chance to throw them out. The problem with deriving so much value from rangey plays is that you don't always get the opportunity to make rangey plays. The defensive "production" is likely to regress, even if he plays exactly as well as he did this year. On top of that (and possibly partially because of that), players like Eaton tend to consistently command less on the trade/free agent market than everyone expects. I think most teams would love to have him, but I don't think he would return what most seem to be expecting. There's a good chance he's more valuable to the Sox on the field than he is as trade bait.