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Or he had a bad stretch followed by a good stretch.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 04:03 PM) IMO, considering the trade value we've seen for the likes of Shelby Miller in the off-season, recently Pomeranz and Chapman, Sale and Quintana BOTH should net those two. Now maybe you could argue for Quintana, after those two monster prospects, there may be a drop off of prospects to finish the deal. Whereas, trading Sale you'll land all of their top 4-5 prospects not just 2-3. What I mean is say: Sale equals Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Kopech and Swihart. Maybe you wouldn't get Devers and Kopech as well so would have to settle for one or the other and Swihart. I don't know man. I wish I was in the know so I could figure out what each might net from Boston. Just my two cents if that makes sense. Couldn't explain it that well lol sorry. I mean, I certainly hope you're right. I just don't think Boston would take that kind of risk. That package, in current value, might be the largest collection of prospect talent to ever be traded.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) For Sale? If Chapman & Pomerez are worth top 20 prospects (plus some for Chapman), you're telling me Sale isn't worth two top 10 prospects? I'm definitely not dealing Sale to the Red Sox without both Moncada & Benintendi in the deal. Anything less is a huge undersell IMO. I think that it is a common fallacy among fans to assume the extent that previous trades for given player archetypes "set the market" in the MLB. This is due to two factors: (1) the buyer is who determines the maximum price paid, since the deal isn't made if the seller's demands aren't met, and (2) every time a deal is made, it removes a team from the running in future deals, and the team that just got removed just so happened to be the one that was willing to pay the highest price for the similar player.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) I like the idea of holding on to 1 or both unless we get something decent. We just may given the way they've both pitching and the state of the market. (plus we quietly sneaking back to .500) If the Sox hold onto the core pieces, I would agree. But if they move Sale and/or Quintana, there's no reason not to trade everyone IMO.

No chance we'd get both Moncada and Benintendi, but either is perfectly reasonable as a centerpiece if the other pieces are strong. Benintendi is going to be an absolute monster. The contact rate is good, the plate discipline is good, and I've seen the power with my own eyes -- he played our team the year he was drafted, and hit two homers, one of which is the only ball I've ever seen clear the fence, the road, and land in the water outside the Staten Island Ferry. The pop is legit.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) Great post again. You are on fire lately. I am not raging mad, but I don't think he should have been suspended at all. Make him pay for the uniforms. What the hell did he do that was so bad? He asked the team to not wear them. They should have figured something out at that point. I know you can't be bigger than the team, but don't forget you are dealing with an inept organization. Everybody in baseball with half a brain knows Ventura shouldn't still be manager and it's a joke he is. Cmon. Ventura has shown "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that this hasn't worked out. The way the Sox play, the clownish way the Sox have dropped games the last two seasons at least, has to be maddening to a competitor like Sale. Just maddening. The guy is so good compared to the rest of the bums on this team (apologies to Anderson, Abreu, Eaton, Robertson, Q, maybe Frazier) I think it's ok he freak out. He made the reasonable request and they denied it and he destroyed the jerseys. Fine. Make him pay for them. He's Chris Sale ... he should freak out having to work for these inept clowns. Repeat: Any organization that still has Robin managing at this point is not to be taken seriously. Case closed. Is this a joke post? Any organization whose player's are allowed to literally destroy jerseys in temper tantrums and NOT be punished shouldn't be taken seriously. That behavior is completely ridiculous and wouldn't be tolerated anywhere.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) What does that say about our GM who made that deal that we are desperately trying to unload him because of the money we took on... That being said, if we try to compete next year, I don't mind the idea of a Sale, Q, Rodon, Fulmer, Shields rotation. But it may make sense to hold on to Gonzalez as the 5th if we can trade Shields for something decent. Save money and also probably not going to notice much difference between those 2 over the course of the year (not enough that it's worth the $ we're saving) Tells you things didn't go according to plan.

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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:25 PM) The only elite prospect that the Rangers have is Gallo, and, imo, he isn't that elite. They have to put someone like mazara in there and that really isn't enough. Gallo is Russell Branyan. Mazara is so much better.

I just turned on the game and Matt Albers is pitching. What is life

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 05:41 PM) Probably below what the Red Sox and Astros gave up for Giles and Kimbrel but you never know. I'd be surprised if the offers are HALF what Kimbrel and Giles went for. Market is flooded with relief options at all levels, and Robertson makes what he's worth on the open market.

Benintendi is going to be a straight-up monster.

Phew, that was close. Almost scored.

Sox accidentally get two runners on base; next two batters quickly correct the mistake by swinging at awful pitches.

I'm typically all for moderation, but this is definitely a case where if you trade one, you also trade the other. They are both tremendously valuable assets if your team uses them as an opportunity to save money to spend elsewhere on MLB talent; their value is wasted on a rebuilder. You can get mediocre "veteran presence" elsewhere if the players don't have to be good. The idea of moving one for MLB hitters as a means of distributing talent more evenly is a nice thought, but we don't have the pitching depth to remain competitive in that scenario. We'd just be filling a huge hole by creating another huge hole. That said, I STILL think both these guys are staying here until at least the 2017 trade deadline. The roster is aligned very well for a "last hurrah" next season.

I think we'll move a reliever or two. I still think they see next year as the "last chance" with this core.

I cannot f***ing believe this s***

Ok, f*** baseball, you guys win.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) Nothing wrong with being an optimist. My post was more just my personal take at this point, that it's over for the Sox for me this year. I don't live in Chicago, so it's hard to catch games, and relatively easy for me to tune the team out. As I've written in a couple of posts, I'm as disappointed in the "stars" of this team as in anything else. The guys who are supposed to carry a team have been underwhelming, with the exception of Sale and Quintana and a couple of others. Maybe a better manager would wake them up, maybe not. Yeah, it's been frustrating. No doubt.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouting-ca...-sox-prospects/ Looks with video at Fulmer, Collins, Reyes, more.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 12:50 PM) I appreciate your effort in attempting to sprinkle magic fairy dust over the proceedings, but I can't help but point out that you are ignoring the fact that the Sox, since the 23-10 start, have gone 22-36 and the 2nd worst record in the AL since early May.. not to mention a near historic feat, not to be duplicated in 50 years, of almost going scoreless in 4 straight games.. I would say, given those two factoids alone, a fan slumping into doom and gloom in July, could be understandable…. I would also say that it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that there are some serious defects in the FO and on the field, that would indicate a turnaround being unlikely From my point of view, it's more like this: I predicted a roughly .500 team in our preseason thread, and today I'm looking at a roughly .500 team. Any who thought the Sox were going to win by sheer force of raw talent alone were lying to themselves, but this is a team who still has a shot at a playoff berth if it simply plays as well as it's capable. The odds are against us (as they are against practically every team) but not overwhelmingly against us. That was ALWAYS the outlook. It's okay to think that it was a garbage plan all along, but this is what it's been the whole time. I don't like the recent streak either, but I'd rather turn on the next game and hope for a win while it's still summer and I can still do it. Plenty of cold, dark, miserable months ahead to brood in.

Sale isn't moving. Sox are going to push for one more year, after which Frazier, Lawrie, and Cabrera are off the books, but Sale and Quintana still have a couple more years and thus some value. We will stand pat or dumpster dive at the deadline, and our guys will have ample time to try to go on a run. We'll add a few short-term pieces in the offseason to bolster the roster for one more shot. If we fail in 2017, I expect Sale could move.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) I know you are trying to be the reasonable voice, but what team currently ahead of us in the standards would you refuse to swap rosters with? I just think that there's a lot of baseball left, and that if a few of our guys hit like they always have, and a few of THEIR guys cool down, the long-term outlook of the franchise may look substantially different. I think doom and gloom belongs in September, especially when you're around .500 in July.

Per ESPN, no team with a sub-.500 record in mid-July has ever won another game.