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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 02:49 PM) What is really interesting is to compare the offensive numbers of Soler and Avi. That is interesting, indeed. Identical wRC+. More pop for Avi, more on-base for Soler. Strangest part is that Soler's plate discipline looks great, while Avi's look embarrassingly bad (from the Pitch FX numbers). Seems like Soler should be making a lot more contact, but he's actually striking out more than Avi. I wonder if he's got the Marcus Semien problem where he can't handle two-strike counts well.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) I am not going to try to convince everyone that Avi will be a good ball player. When he reaches his potential all his haters will act like they always knew he had potential I am sure. I won't. I'll eat hats or whatever. And I'll only be bitter about it if it happens when he;s on another team. I love it when Avi gets hits -- it feels like finding money on the ground in the parking lot. I'm really glad Avi just drove those two runs in, but he's still in the midst of a sub-replacement-level season.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 13, 2015 -> 02:23 AM) Melky is not the reason that KC keeps owning the SOX. greg lost a bet a while back and now he can only post here if it's about the Royals. Sometimes he has to make some big stretches, but you can't fault him for trying. He just wants to post.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 6, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) They can talk mechanics all they want with Avi. It comes down to swinging at pitches he can actually hit hard, unless he's in protection mode. If he figures that out, he will be really good. If he doesn't, he'll be what he is. This. Defensively, well. That's another issue. But if he learns to hit, he'll at least be a positive contributor.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 6, 2015 -> 07:30 AM) He's been one of the worst outfielders in baseball and the White Sox insist they have a roster ready to compete right now. If they have a roster ready to compete right now then they can't afford to give time for one of the worst outfielders in baseball to develop.

I am not in favor of a scorched-Earth rebuild and don't think it's necessary under the current playoff structure. No team is ever going to look good when nearly all of its players perform below expectations, yet it happens to half the team in baseball every year. Sometimes you try and just don't win. I don't think the core fo the team is as hopeless as they've looked this year, and with a good offseason, I think the Sox can be legitimate contenders for the next few years. Not powerhouses, but in the race.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) How about the outside chance that the Sox know they have a great chance of extending Samardzija once the season ends, but only if he's still on the team? There's literally NO reason for Samardzija to extend before free agency. Even if he wants to return, he can get more money leveraging other deals.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:25 PM) I generally understand that and I think Cubs fans do too... They've spent so many years selling on the future that they're all convinced "even if we don't make the playoffs this year we're going to start rocking the next few years and keep getting better". I still remain kinda surprised they haven't moved Baez for something. My pet theory is that on one actually likes Baez. Every fan/writer has been virtually-trading Baez for three years now. Everyone seems to understand that THEY don't want to deal with the low floor, but assume that another team will pay for the high ceiling.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) The poster said we had no top 100 position player who could contribute next year, but we clearly have one who can. There's no way Micah Johnson is considered top 100 at this point.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) It's not just about having the amo or making a move to make a move. The Sox knew how slim their playoff chances were this year and they weren't willing to give up any assets for a rental. It makes complete sense. Then trade Samardzija. Doing nothing made no sense to me.

One thing is for sure, between choosing whether to take advantage of the market and sell or to take advantage of your big holes and buy, doing neither is absolutely the wrong choice.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) Give a name right now... What is the best offer you would make as Rick Hahn for Cespedes. GO Avisail Garcia + Chris Beck + live arm

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) Yea, they're definitely not this dumb. It's pretty easy to figure out. You send Leury down, keep Bonifacio on the DL for a month until the rosters expand September 1. Sox roster is so loaded, they can't even find a place to put an upgrade!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:48 PM) The Sox have been buzzer beaters before. The Contreras and Peavy deals were announced after the deadline had past. Find a team desperate for a starter, and desperate for some salary relief with a hitter. Lose Shark, gain a hitter, and gain some prospects. Probably the most rational move if they can pull it off. The holes the Sox have on the field are so deep that even a league average player would be a boost, thus leaving some room to add some prospect valuye whilst dealing Shark from the deepest position they have.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 12:46 PM) Cue up the PS4! Sox: Cespedes Upton Tigers: Avi Garcia Erik Johnson Chris Reed (LAD) Padres: Saladino Zach Lee (LAD) Joe Ross (WAS) Nationals: Laroche Dodgers: Shark Dodgers current rotation is literally seven deep: Kershaw Greinke Latos Wood Anderson Bolsinger Lee

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:55 AM) Not when I don't see any long-term value in Avi. I don't think Avi is a good baseball player. If you look at my history of posts, I am typically very patient with prospects, etc. What I have seen from Avi, given his defensive struggles, gives me very little faith in him ever reaching anything close to his perceived "upside". I think if this team intends to compete, it needs to add a very good outfielder. I am okay with then using Avi and LaRoche in a DH roll, with Avi giving our outfielders occasional breaks. This. Jake's post is spot-on without context, but Avi blows. It isn't about young players in general, it's about continuing to pretend that Garcia is some high-end prospect, despite not a single sign of improvement as he approaches his first 1000PA in the MLB after ~2000PA in the minors. Still can't pick pitches to swing at, still can't react to balls hit to him, still takes the most confusing routes we've seen since Manny Ramirez.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:28 AM) Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 1m1 minute ago New York, USA no surprise, teams have checked back in on samardzija. chisox 3 1/2 out. still not that likely to deal him. I honestly wouldn't be upset if they dealt him. Prices seem high, and we're going to cool down.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) WTF would we DFA him? Makes 0 sense. I was being dramatic.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:11 AM) Lol you really dislike Avi. There have been plenty of young players with exceptional physical tools to struggle the first couple years of their careers and still wind up reaching their potential. It happens. I believe Avi will come along in due time. I do, very much. I acknowledge that there is a chance Avisail Garcia turns into a good player. But I also acknowledge that there is a chance every player in the MLB turns into a good player. It might happen, but it very much probably will not happen.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:06 AM) Avi? They would send him to AAA before that happens. No way they get rid of him. QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:06 AM) He meant Leury QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:07 AM) No, he meant Avi Yep, I meant Avi. I'm being dramatic, of course. But still.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:03 AM) Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst 1m1 minute ago Teams talking to #WhiteSox say they're struggling with how impact of Cespedes or Upton would impact roster. Already overloaded at OF/DH/1B DFA Garcia

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:47 AM) I think your right they also are trying to get the Yankees SS prospect in a deal for Kimbrel. I'm guessing Jorge Mateo?

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:40 AM) Don't think Correla is related to Upton. Words is Astros looking at Ross and or Kimbrel. But I'd be shocked if the Padres were only seeking a young SS in trades for some of their players on the block. I think it's more likely they're asking all teams for young SSs.

So basically I assume the Padres are insisting on Anderson and we're countering with Cleuluis Rondon. And so we won't be getting Upton.