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Alright, I hate the team now. You guys win.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 04:08 PM) poop.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) worth noting, these arent giveaway bobble heads.. looks like you have to purchase them separately. Come dressed in your finest Star Wars attire and then march in a pre-game parade around the field. We'll be featuring Star Wars graphics and music throughout the game as well as offering an exclusive Adam Wan Kenobi bobble head for the first 1,200 fans to purchase! Ahh okay. Special package, makes more sense.

QUOTE (My_Sox_Summer @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) Sunday, September 13, 2015 - 1:10 P.M. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/ticket...sp?loc=starwars Only 1,200 vouchers. Only 1,200? Jesus, we give out twice that and we're Single A. Hmmm... maybe I'm ordering too many bobbleheads.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 01:07 PM) He says trade Sale for prospects and Toronto is the team to do it. The Toronto fan asks about it, and he says young pitching is fools good, be lucky if 2 of 4 turn out and 1 out of 4 would be normal. So trade Sale for 4 prospects and hope 2 work out., but only bet on 1. That is a great idea. I can't believe teams aren't lining up offering Cameron their GM job. Yeah, I don't want to trade Chris Sale at all, but if it WAS going to happen, I'd certainly hope it wasn't Toronto, because all their elite prospects are pitchers. To be fair to Cameron, he said Toronto is the team that makes the most sense to go balls out for him, he didn't say that the Sox should prefer Toronto's eventual offer.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:08 AM) 2. Micah Johnson- We had a prospect actually come up and hold his own, kind of. How exciting is that? That's like the first time in 10 years. His defense should come along and his base running certainly will. If by "hold his own" you mean, "put up -0.3 fWAR in just 83 PA," then we are in agreement. Sub-replacement level is a strange definition of "hold his own" though.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) I think you're confusing him with Tim Anderson. Actually, if you combined the two (Micah/Tim)...Crawford's XB power and Pierre's stolen base ability. Still, Crawford was a Top 5-10 MVP caliber player early in his TB career, don't imagine we'll see that happen but we can always hope, right? Unfortunately, we have "half players" all over the place. Combine Sanchez/Micah as well, you've got a decent player. Beckham with Gillaspie, etc. That's why I said "best case." I'm not banking on that outcome by any stretch of the imagination, but I think that's his upside. I think Micah has the potential for nearly, if not quite the same level of pop as Crawford. Whether he goes down the Crawford or the Pierre path is going to depend on the type of approach he chooses to try to develop. If he ends up 80% as productive as either player, though, it'll be a very good career.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:05 PM) If Micah can't improve defensively then there's almost no amount of offensive production that is going to make it worth having him as a starter on this team. I see his best-case as a Juan Pierre/Carl Crawford-type outfielder.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 07:59 PM) So suffering through Sanchez's complete lack of a bat is the preferred alternative to letting Micah's defense develop at the big league level? To my completely nonprofessional eyes, Micah's issues are his stone hands much more than something easily learnable like footwork or positioning. I just don't see him ever being even an average second baseman. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) His BABIP has always been on the high end. I agree with you on the high strikeouts. That rate is only going to rise the vast majority of the time, when you start to face better pitching. I am not a big Sanchez guy, but he is better than he has shown. I'm #TeamSanchez and I agree. When I say I'm #TeamSanchez, I'm saying I think he can be 75-80 wRC+ with good defense, not any kind of star. But that really goes back to the whole "trade Sale" stuff. I truly believe that when all the chips fall, Sanchez is an 80, Melky is a 100, Eaton is a 110, and Abreu is a 135, and if all that can happen, the team can win a ton more games. I'm the offical Anti-Avi and I still think he can give us 100. It certainly might be too big a hole to dig out of this year, but I don't think you actually have to fill 7 holes on the diamond like it LOOKS right now.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:24 PM) Avi has to learn how to hit an inside fastball from righties. His current approach is terrible. Fixed

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) Has Avi's knee contributed to his recent poor play? He was our best hitter before he went down, and since he's come back his performance has plummeted. I'm not blaming it all on the knee but that has to be part of it, right? When he was hitting well, his BABIP was ~.450. Now it's down to .348, which is still pretty high, but it's had a long way to fall so it's probably been much lower over the last 3-4 weeks . Basically, everything was falling for him for 6 weeks or so. It's the same thing that happened to Tyler Flowers during his Magic Glasses session last year. EDIT: I admit this is an oversimplification, but I think it explains a lot of it. ANOTHER EDIT: I looked at the wrong number, his BABIP is still pretty high, correct BABIP in now.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:14 PM) No, not even close. You're really grasping at straws. It's differentiating between "star" and "great player." You're circumventing the argument because it goes against the "we can't rebuild because Sox" crap argument you've made for years. But you defined that distinction specifically on popularity, which is irrelevant. Billboards sell when the brand is popular, and the brand is popular when the team wins. We should only care about talent, not likeability.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:10 PM) Agreed. That proposal is a joke. Sale's return would be unprecedented. Maybe Urias, Seager and Grandal get the Sox listening, but that I still don't think that's enough...maybe taking Danks contract too. He way undervalues Abreu. If he was a FA this offseason, he would have gotten a $200M deal. He'd get the Sox a HAUL if they wanted to move him. I don't think the Sox are thinking of moving Abreu or Sale, but it does make some sense if you could get Seager, Urias and Grandal for Sale and something slightly less for Abreu. Then trade Shark, Robertson and anything else that is able to be moved (Alexei, LaRoche, Beckham, etc.) and get as much as you can. It's intriguing, but this isn't going to happen. Cameron doesn't undervalue our guys -- he had Sale and Abreu in the top 10 in his trade value rankings last year. Sale was his top-ranked pitcher in all of baseball. If anything, he is overvaluing the prospects themselves, or, more accurately, he disagrees with how our board values prospects. I don't agree with that proposal either, but this isn't some kind of Sox-hate thing, no matter how fun that seems to be around here for some reason.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) Personally, I'd ask for Grandal, Seager and Urias for Sale and Danks. Wouldn't mind getting a quality starting catcher and 2 of the top 5 prospects in all of baseball while freeing up money with Danks gone. If you're moving Sale, you're not going to tie an anchor to him to save money. Without Sale, there's no need to reinvest that $14m next year anyway, and SOMEONE is going to have to soak those innings up.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) From the comment thread on the article: "The cost is high but he’s definitely not untouchable if only due to his contract. If Sale is to earn roughly $50MM over the rest of his contract and puts up $150MM in value, that’s $100MM in value they need to get back. Using a market rate of $8MM/Win, that’s 12.5 WAR they would need in order to move him. Doesn’t seem untouchable to get back several prospects who can be expected to contribute that amount, but they would need to be very good prospects. Even with Javier Baez’s terrible ML line last year, his KATOH projection is still over 5 WAR. Combined with Schwarber and Alcantara, and the players Dave proposed seem perfectly reasonable." What the hell is KATOH? How reliable are prospect projections anyway? What if Schwarber can't cut it at catcher or LF and ends up becoming a DH, thus lowering his value considerably? KATOH is a very new, very raw, and very much NOT consensus way to identify prospect talent. It was developed by some kid who Fangraphs then hired, but even the kid himself will tell you that, at this point, it's an interesting data point to use more than it's a reliable projector.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:24 PM) So move cost controlled young assets for a rebuild? Huh. My thoughts exactly.

Sale and the Royals.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:33 AM) Poor relief pitchers/closers. Almost all of em suck after a couple years. Even the Royals' closer now has been on the DL this year and some are calling for Davis to replace Holland. It's a no win job. You will suck after a couple years of greatness unless your name is Rivera. Exactly. Which is why no one should be upset that we traded an arbitration-eligible reliever for a good 3B prospect, even if that prospect busts. It's worth a shot when the alternative is Connor Gillaspie.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) Honestly, I wouldn't even trade Danks for Castro. Wait, what? Are you serious?

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 11:09 AM) They really have a month left to get hot. If they don't get hot right now, then some players will get traded, and they'll simply not have enough talent the last couple months. I'm all for them going 18-10 the next 28, but the bats are just dead. We'll see what the next few weeks bring. They really have about two weeks, IMO. The way the SP market is unfolding, the Sox need to strike first with Samardzija.

Jesus f***

If you can't score two f***ing runs, it doesn't matter when you pull the pitcher.

They're going to trade Jeff Samardzija and maybe a reliever. Everyone else is going to be expected to play better next year.