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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 24, 2014 -> 05:58 PM) Eminor nominates Chipper Jones to be our manager! Him and his BROWN teeth, haha. I never noticed how gross his teeth are until his retirement tour.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) I can keep going Well done, lol.

Nava isn't blocking ANYONE in Boston. He had a surprisingly solid year last year out of nowhere, but I think many people don't realize how mediocre he's been this year. And he doesn't have much of a track record to suggest he'll "bounce back."

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 09:34 AM) That's pretty subjective. What I mean is, sure, the odds of Andy Wilkins replacing Dunn's production are about 3-5% at best. It's more the idea of moving on, getting past the Konerko/Dunn era (last player from 2005 remaining) and using those financial resources more wisely/effectively in the future. If the question is can Wilkins and a platoon partner outproduce Dunn and Konerko?, probably not. If the question is whether Rick Hahn can either trade for a better replacement or spend that $16 million or whatever more effectively than what Adam Dunn has produced in 2014, sure, and I would add there's not much hope for the future of the White Sox if you're skeptical on that front. It's not subjective, though. That's the thing. He's been an above average hitter for the last three seasons, and most of this board (and I'd wager most of the casual fans as well) has wanted his head the whole time. He unquestionably hasn't reach the heights we expected when he signed, but if we're being objective, he's been a key contributor to our offense and there haven't been any better options to replace him. Subjective would be how the initial hype of his signing has caused fans to consider him among the absolute biggest negatives on the team during his tenure, to be excised at all costs, despite the fact that he's been an above average hitter and is, by all accounts, a positive clubhouse presence. Look, I'm disappointed with him too -- I LOVED the signing, fresh off the Mark Kotsay debacle. But I'm glad our front office hasn't let that emotion cloud their decision-making. Disappointment or not, the offense has been better the past three seasons because he's been here.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 09:21 AM) You can't really compare Danks and Dunn because: 1) Danks came to our team when he was very young and is considered part of the White Sox "family" 2) His brother is also on the team 3) 2008 Blackout Game memories still linger for some 4) The fact that Danks' lack of effectiveness can be blamed on his career-altering injury, vs. laziness or "not caring" or whatever people say about Dunn 5) The fact that expectations were so high that Dunn was the final piece when he was added in 2011, having gone through a season where Jim Thome being on the Twins made a huge difference not making them playoffs despite the 26-5 run in mid-2010. 6) The fact that Dunn's never made the playoffs 7) Dunn's 2011 was chronicle in the NY Times for its historic abysmal nature, whereas Danks criticism is about fastball velocity, location, homers surrendered, leaving balls out over the plate, peripherals....you just can't equate them when you talk about total flops and then take into consideration what we were being sold at the time by KW Right, all of that has nothing to do with how well they play. It's fine, but everyone should be aware that they are hating on Dunn because they don't like him, not because of his performance. This is why witesoxfan has come off like a DUNN LOVER all the time when he isn't really -- it's just so confusing when everyone has wanted to "improve" the team by making the offense worse. You can have personal problems with a guy and want him gone, but let's acknowledge that is entirely separate from what our team should do in order to win.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 12:56 AM) What do u mean? People on this board despise Danks (as a pitcher, not a human being), at least the majority do. QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 01:32 AM) There is definitely a solid number of people that want to keep Danks. Personally, I prefer Noesi over Danks at this point as a back end of the rotation guy when you factor in cost. Not only are there many who advocate holding him as chisoxfan310 notes (I actually am one, kind of, not because I think he's good but because I don't think we can move him even for free and think he might as well be in the mix to eat innings if we have to pay him anyway), but even those who want to dump him are trying their hardest to convince themselves he may be worth something to a contender. With Dunn it's just pure vitriol -- most hate him and want him gone at all costs even though he's been a productive player for us three of the four years of his contract. Overpaid, certainly, but useful, and not even the most overpaid on the team.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 07:24 AM) I am probably Dunn's biggest supporter on this site, but what is the point of keeping Dunn in September? The team is out of it, there are a lot of intriguing players at AAA who need a chance to show what they have at the MLB level, they absolutely are not going to offer him a qualifying offer, and you want to try and get a guy who has the reputation of an all around good guy a chance at winning a World Series ring. I'm not as sure as I was about Rodon signing, but I'm quite confident Dunn will be moved. 98.333333333%?

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 04:04 PM) Oh yes we do. Everyone knew what he meant by $18M. He meant a whole bunch of money and his point stands- it's sad. It's funny how everyone is so angry at Dunn's $15m, but perfectly okay with Danks and his $14m as a back-end rotation option going into next year. They're both overpaid role players, except Dunn has actually been somewhat effective at his.

Oh White Sox Facebook... lol

It was this or a non-tender

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 03:14 PM) we pay 18 mil for a guy per year who is not worth anything to another team/ even for one months salary, sad. I blame Robin

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) Then they're really going to be spending a lot more than most expect, because if you start out with that baseline of $45 million, 1) you'd have to not trade Alexei Ramirez or Danks 2) you're subtracting the salaries of Lindstrom, Dunn, DeAza, Beckham and Belisario 3) and probably sitting at 50-50 that Nate Jones and Dayan Viciedo aren't going to be brought back or offered arbitration...Flowers and Noesi will be offered for sure, barring a dramatic change move by Hahn To see an increase, that means there would need to be spending of roughly $42 million of additional/new spending on next year's roster alone. That would give you James Shields, one of the 4-5 closers on the market, and roughly Adam Dunn's salary for another big hitter in the middle of the line-up. Let's say it's James Shields at $20 million, Soriano/Robertson/Janssen/K-Rod/Uehara/Rodney (one of the aforementioned) at $10 million and then let's say Melky Cabrera/Markakis/Rasmus at $10-12 million. That's three big-time free agents, including one of the top five in Shields and another top 10-12 guy in Melky Cabrera. I'll believe it when I see it happen. I don't know why you're so concerned about the payroll. Hahn will add guys he thinks are going to be good value, and will pay what he's comfortable with paying. That might be signing 4 big free agents or just trading for some guys. Trying to get the payroll up to match someone's paradigm of "trying to be competitive" is really dumb, IMO. The payroll will NOT be a good measurement of this team's direction or how successful its offseason was.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 10:10 AM) I think Jones is supposed to be out the majority of next season? Yes x 100 on the approach to DH. Ahh, yeah I think you're right on Jones. So yeah, a lot of pitchers.

This is what I think the "holes" are: CA 1B Jose Abreu 2B Marcus Semien or Micah Johnson SS Alexei Ramirez 3B Conor Gillaspie LF CF Adam Eaton RF Avisail Garcia DH SP Chris Sale SP Jose Quintana SP SP SP John Danks RP Nate Jones RP Jake Petricka RP Zach Putnam RP RP This offseason, we need a catcher, a corner outfielder (or two), and a bunch of pitchers. AAA will fill the middle infield. I'd like to see a rotating DH built from another stating-caliber OF with platoon potential.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 01:54 PM) If Red Sox want Alexei, I'm asking for Boegarts. lol

Hahn: There is a chance a pitcher from the bullpen will pitch in tonight's game.

Jesus

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 10:20 AM) That's all fine and good, but rebuilding and competing on the go requires more immediate results for the Sox fanbase. Everyone knows this. So while the Cubs were in a position to pass on those free agency markets due to timing issues, and put out some tentative "we will fix things with our pitching staff sometime between 18 to 24 months from now" mantras, that's not going to work for the Sox. Hahn never presented that blueprint of waiting from 2011 until 2017 for a World Series-contending team like Epstein and Hoyer have consistently done. Of course, he wasn't in a position to sell the future when the "shorter term" has always been more important to the White Sox as a means of running a business. Sooner or later, his hand is going to be forced. Why is it different for the Sox fanbase? Attendance has been declining for seven years, there's no reason to believe it won't continue. The only way to reverse that trend is to build a successful franchise, and so Hahn needs to build a successful franchise as quickly as possible. Straying from that path will only delay him from the goal. 2012 proved to us that 4 months of competitive baseball is NOT enough to bring the fans back. Flash-in-the-pan signings that hurt the long-term value of the system are hail maries that have not duped Sox fans in the past, and if that was Hahn's plan, he wouldn't have been hired. We all like to point out that Jerry has plenty of money and we all agree that his goal is to make more of it -- I'd argue that the only logical path is to get to profitability the quickest, and that he easily has the means to weather the "investment" in time required to get there. hahn's a smart man who has had a lot of time to come up with a plan that makes sense to him and that was approved by ownership. The best move for him is to sink or swim with his best plan. Guys don't usually get to his station without understanding that.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 10:01 AM) This is by far the most important factor people are ignoring. We need to build around these guys RIGHT NOW, as Sale or Quintana could down at any point in time. Wasting the surplus value these players are currently providing is the dumbest thing we could do. It blows my mind people are so concerned about draft picks and the lack of surplus value free agents will provide. We have $46M in payroll commitments for next year and yet some posters are against spending anything of significance in free agency. Having financial flexibility is great, but it's damn near worthless if you're afraid to spend it. No one is against spending money in FA in general, but many are against spending it simply for the sake of spending it, because that's how you end up painted in a corner. Hahn's plan is much larger than Chris Sale and Jose Abreu and how both fit into a "contention window" -- it's about building a healthy organization that can enjoy sustained success. Panicking and buying marginal upgrades at market rate simply because they were the best available is precisely how we ended up in this "mess" to begin with. I think that, fortunately, KW's willingness to pay out the nose for upgrades without long-term commitments has afforded us the ability to crawl out of the "rock bottom" phase of the rebuild sooner, but that doesn't mean we should forget the big picture in year two and start acting like Jim Hendry all of a sudden.

I think it's a 'tweener, like the Indians this year.

Danks is talented enough to have a few good games in a row, but he is nothing even close to "good." He can't hit at all, and while his defense is definitely good, it's not "elite." I'm not going to argue if they non-tender ADA and move Viciedo to save some money, but even if they do, Danks should be a fallback option. He is not good enough to be a cog on a contender.

Murray Chass is a complete piece of s***. That said, he isn't the only guy who has issues with how Reinsdorf has wielded his political power inside baseball. Personally, I have no idea what happens and what doesn't happen, and I wouldn't presume to judge without hearing both sides of the story. My current boss has been in the industry for decades and told me a couple Reinsdorf stories that painted him as a pretty vindictive guy. Who knows.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) De Aza defense > Danks bat. There's no reasonable argument over who the better player is. Better per dollar or better fit for the 2015 White Sox, those might be arguments. Personally I don't think either is a part of the plan. This