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QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 10:07 AM) I must have gotten my information from Jon Heyman lol

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 06:07 PM) Well, that's a pleasant surprise. Extras. Belisario gets Napoli, Putnam and Rienzo are in the pen. When's the last time Rienzo pitched? Seems like a month ago. I forgot we had Rienzo.

Belisario. You guys ready to name other pitchers from the bullpen that could have been put in instead?

I have a feeling RV is going to lose us this game by allowing his pitchers to give up hits/homers.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) Baseball America now reporting $6.582M for Rodon signing. This puts them over the limit and into 75% tax penalty territory on the overage (by about 385k), but stays just/short of draft pick loss territory. Also means Montes de Oca and Choplick almost assuredly won't be signed. The interesting thing about that number is that you'd assume Boras was absolutely trying to get them into "forfeit the pick" territory, which would have been a fascinating (and terrible) precedent to set. That Boras has some stones, can't take that from him.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) You'd be surprised, he's under control through 2016, pitching great at the moment, and isn't even 30...NYY is desperate for quality starting now too, really desperate, I'll admit maybe my propositions are a little too high but an actual deal would be right around there The problem is his salary -- there's no surplus value there. I think the O'Brien package without Severino is more realistic. Maybe a bit more if we pick up most of the tab. Kingham, though, I can't imagine would ever be in the conversation. But I hope you're right, haha.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 12:30 PM) I'm the one who always suggests overpaying for catchers (hence my 4/$40 for Salty this offseason), but I have no problem giving Martin a lot of money. Say, 2 years, $22 mill - $10 year 1, $10 year 2, $2 mill buyout or $12 mill team year 3. Yep. I think guys like that are extremely valuable even if they don't hit. I'd take a 90 wRC+ from him and be thrilled. And he clearly wouldn't be blocking anyone.

Someone else can pay to watch James Shields fall apart. I would LOVE to pay Russell Martin $8m for the next two or three years, though.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 12:21 PM) Moves that must be done: Hokey Pokey Right leg in Right leg out Right leg in, shaken all about Do the Hokey Pokey (turn yourself around) I'd rather wait until the offseason

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) "Just give us Aaron Sanchez and Anthony Gose, they're not even having that good of years in the minors." "No on Sanchez. You can have Gose and two Single A rando arms." "Ok, but I'm not sending the $10m then." "Send me $8m." "No." ... "I'll keep it in mind. We've got a lot of balls in the air right now."

Danks is NOT worth anything like those prospects.

Dunn + Beckham + Danks + $10m sounds like a nice "stop the bleeding" package. If we could get one decent prospect and a flyer or two back, I'd be all over it.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 01:23 AM) With the OBPs on that team, they would have finished in the bottom 5 in offense without the homers. Which is as much an argument that they needed more OBP as it is that they needed so many homers.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) How many catchers have 100 strikeouts this year? I don't know

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 12:31 AM) The Mariners, 3-4 seasons ago, built a "defense first team" for Safeco. The Cardinals and Royals in the mid-80's built teams specifically for AstroTurf play...you can argue the Blue Jays did the same exact thing. The Twins and Rays also come to mind. And the Mariners failed spectacularly. What is a team specifically built for Astroturf play? One full of guys with strong knees? How are the Rays built for their park?

That seems like not a good way to measure overall bullpen quality. Should meltdowns in other innings not count?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 05:44 PM) The 2005 Sox hit 200 HRs, which was 5th in all of baseball. Which led to a 9th ranked offense in runs. They don't give you wins based on homers, they give you wins based on runs. Homers are great, but they are just one component of an effective offense.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 04:21 PM) Except we play at our park 81 times and the opposing team does not? Why wouldn't we tailor our offense around the characteristics of our park? And in all 81 home games, we play a team that is also affected by the park we're in. I can't think of any team that's been successful building a winner by tailoring the team to its extreme park. Colorado and San Diego have the most extreme parks and have tried the hardest. And before someone says it, Yankees have a bunch of good left handed power hitters doesn't help them because of the short porch; it helps them because good left handed power hitters are helpful.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 06:10 PM) I don't buy the clubhouse chemistry thing. First off, the team is about 40 under .500 since he left. If getting him off the team helped the chemistry, I hope they go back to the bad where they actually won a World Series. Secondly, if he was as hated as the people who have never been in the clubhouse on game day seem to think, I doubt the White Sox would have signed him to the 3 or 4 contracts they signed him to, and kept him around 8 seasons. That said, if the Sox are ready to pull the plug on Flowers, at this point, they need to see if there is any hope with Phegley before they bring back AJ. I'm not thinking that he is naturally a good or bad component to clubhouse chemistry -- I'm just thinking that he is a very vocal and active figure that will affect it for better or for worse. It's a very different team since he left, and we don't know how they'd react to AJ, we just know that they WILL react some way. It'd be like dumping sodium into a random compound to see what it did. Maybe it would be a disaster, or maybe nothing, but we know sodium tends to react spectacularly with a lot fo things, so it's a more substantial risk than with something more stable.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 09:13 PM) When have we ever worried more about pitch counts than effectiveness? How many times do I have to explain this to you? This is like the 3-4th time, honestly. Lol every fire Robin thread has something about overusing Sale in it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 09:10 PM) I'd have preferred to start the 9th up 4-0. You guys with the Robin Ventura posters on your ceilings can defend him all you want, but you'd also defend anything he did. He compounds this bulls*** with these non-sensical moves. But keep pretending like the s*** he does makes sense. Every time Sale pitches in the 9th someone starts a whole thread about how Ventura should be fired for running his pitch counts up.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 03:01 PM) How many catchers in baseball have 10+ homers this year? Especially considering his home park for 81 games. Again, where is the sense in judging a hitter on one single outcome?

It is true that it's a risk to clubhouse chemistry. Not a ton of upside for the field this year. I'd lean pass.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 04:55 PM) There has not been much of a difference offensively with Pierzynski the superior hitter thus far. However, a rather small point but a valid one nonetheless, is that Pierzynski has thrown out just 9 of 47 (19%) potential base stealers while Flowers has thrown out 17 of 55 (31%). I don't have the pitch framing numbers handy, but I imagine those are fairly comparable. I couldn't care less either way. AJ Pierzynski is a Proven Closer™ and you know it.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) Correct, but we also need a balanced offense. Can't play 81 games at the Cell without multiple power threats. Why not? All the park factor does is move the standard for normal for both teams. If we have a bunch of power-less hitters, they'll still hit more homers at USCF than at a neutral park. And that will be equalized by the fact that opponents will too.