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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) Players who will project to hit 15 or more homers next season: Abreu maybe Garcia How is that going to play at USCF? Not seeing the logic here. Park factors act as moving reference points; they don't change the amount of runs required to win. They affect both teams equally.

There are pros and cons to acquiring AJP, but neither of them are very extreme. If we do or don't, I won't be upset.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/red-...assignment.html The TRADE WIND implications should be obvious. We have Flowers, AJP is now available. I am not advocating acquiring him, but some will. Let's just dump all of this here. It's better to contain it in a single thread, right?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 11:46 AM) Yeah, that's the problem. Even when he finally does start making contact again, he's bound for some more bad luck. This slump, considering the total lack of contact, has to be one of the worst in White Sox history. At least we know what we have -- no shoulder injury or split time to use as an excuse. But, man, it really exposes the biggest hole in our system, loudly and publicly.

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) I just thought it was unusual that Tyler had hit so well at the beginning of the season to fall so low. Lately he appears to be swinging the bat anywhere that the ball isn't. We all saw this coming. Earlier in the year, everything he made contact with found a hole. He had like a .700 BABIP. It fell, like it always falls for every player ever, and now it's at .348 and he's a 59 wRC+ hitter who will be non-tendered and given a minor league contract somewhere.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 11:08 AM) Would you all take a top ten draft pick even if it was caused Abreu having a terrible 2nd half that make people think he was "figured out". I would not.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) I'll let Dick Allen list them if he wants to... So we don't want to make any effort at all to compete for the playoffs/Wild Card while simultaneously we don't care about our draft pick/s next year, either? MEHHHH.... The point is that there is good talent available in the middle of the first round. The fact that the Sox have sucked at finding it in the past is not a good reason that they should just not try, or that they never will be able to find it. Analogy: Shaq sucked at free throws, but that doesn't mean he should have stopped trying to hit free throws, because they are still worth a point each if he can manage to hit them.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) It better be for Maurer and Erasmo Ramirez. It'll be just Erasmo. Viciedo for Erasmo.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 10:38 PM) You mean the road to the 14th-18th draft pick in the 1st round....? I'd rather they were 10 games under .500, improved the team with the best trades for prospects at the deadline and all the key players for next season were completely healthy/successful in Abreu, Sale, Quintana, Eaton and Avisail. I'd call it the road to substantial improvement in a single offseason. Or the road to the fringes of what might be a core that's already worth adding free agents to next year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:23 PM) 9 for his last 102 with 49 strikeouts. I don't remember a position player with a streak so bad. Nope, they usually get optioned/DFA'd before it gets that bad.

Who do you want to trade?

I actually feel like we should give those runs back.

VIciedo with inexplicable half-swing at first pitch. Wow. This is some Bush League baseball

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 04:03 PM) I would assume that it's a Donny Lucy shirsey. But you're special.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 01:41 PM) When she wears it people will just think that's her last name. Yeah, we assume people think it's her first name, usually.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 01:13 PM) Donny Lucy was one of the more fun longshots to root for. I still remember how angry much of SoxTalk was that we didn't draft that other guy, A's player now with the Nats? Why can't I think of his name? Anyway the board wanted him instead, he was there, said Lucy is never going to hit. They were right. But Lucy was a good guy for the pitchers I think. I'm pretty sure I read where the pitchers really liked his game calling and stuff. My girlfriend decided to commit to "being a baseball fan" during one of Lucy's cups of coffee. She decided that he was physically attractive and would be her favorite player, having no idea that she would almost literally never get to see him play. When I told her he retired to become an avocado salesman, it made her like him even better. I bought her a custom (obviously) Donny Lucy shirsey, and she enjoys being literally the only person in the stadium (city? state? planet?) wearing it when we go to games.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 12:13 PM) Maybe for Jake at State Farm. Or he could go join Donny Lucy selling avocados in SoCal: http://www.delreyavocado.com/salesstaff.html

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 11:52 AM) Your last sentence is just crazy IMO. Beckham is average at best. How can you overvalue Beckham like that? Just cause he was a top draft pick doesn't mean anybody values him. I can't imagine him bring much more than a Chris Getz type player cause he is a Chris Getz type player. OK he's a little better than Getz. This trade deadline, the Sox should dump Beckham, Viciedo and that's it (I'm assuming nobody will trade for Dunn). Get what you can for them. Why? Cause there are replacements for both. I'm pretty sure he's talking about packaging Beckham with Quintana.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 10:58 AM) Heyman detailed 60 players that could be available at the deadline. Lots of White Sox as expected. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-he...go-or-have-gone Heyman mentions that Danks has been pitching well now that he's two years removed from Tommy John surgery. Seriously, how does this guy have a job?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 09:35 AM) I honestly believe, playing 4-5 days per week...that he would put up better numbers and provide more leadership than Flowers does. But maybe that's just me. Yes, it's a SAD state of affairs in terms of catching all around baseball. With Wieters down, Zunino in Seattle and Sal Perez are the only impressive guys out there in the AL. But I don't think an upgrade's out there that won't cost you SOMETHING decent you don't want to give up in return. Even if you're right, you're talking about upgrading from "extra bad" to "bad" on a team that isn't winning anything this year, and the cost is crucial development time for ANY other C that isn't a 34 year old bad pending free agent.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:59 AM) I think we should sign him. That way, once he was terrible for a couple months we could stop having people suggest we sign him every year. This is the only reason I can think of to acquire John Buck right now.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 09:56 AM) I have not said this. Frankly, my opinion was favorable towards Quintana, not Samardzija, but some people are failing to realize this because I didn't say that "Quintana is better than Samardzija," but instead said it is "crazy to say that Quintana is better than Samardzija." Production wise, they have been, for all intents and purposes, equally good. I personally believe Samardzija has better stuff. Quintana is the more valuable commodity at this point. Excellent summary of your last 5 posts combined, lol.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 06:59 AM) What can you trade for that puts your rebuilding in a better position without Quintana? Two top 10 prospects? I think I'd still prefer the 25-year old proven starting pitcher with the team friendly contract until 2020. QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:29 AM) I agree. He is more valuable to us than what it would take for anyone else to acquire him. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:50 AM) Q is a good pitcher who is signed for way below market rate for the forseeable future. If someone isn't willing to drastically overpay, there is zero reason to trade him. This, absolutely.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 03:36 AM) I don't think Hawk does that, but he was an announcer who went on to be a general manager. Yes, he was the GM for one disastrous season which saw 90 losses, the signings of 41-year old Steve Carlton and 37-year old George Foster, the firings of Tony La Russa and Dave Dombrowski, and the giving away of prospect Bobby Bonilla. But yes, even Hawk does not evaluate a player's performance solely on a single statistic.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Jul 7, 2014 -> 06:00 PM) If the truth lies somewhere between then why not average them out? aWar = (bWar+fWar)/2 I've seen it done before -- FanGraphs has a bWAR-like metric called RA9-WAR (runs-allowed per 9) and for specific articles, sometimes they've averaged them (though mostly they just present both independently). I think the reason they haven't created an official "averaged" metric is because they believe that the FIP-based metric is much closer to correct in most instances. So while the averaged metric may be more accurate in the aggregate, it would be more inaccurate for most individual instances, and I think we'd all agree that it's more useful to be right about specific pitchers than it is to be right about the league or a team as a whole. Dave Cameron's philosophy (or what his philosophy seems to be IMO) on these things is one I like: in the face of incomplete information, one should cite additional information to make the analysis complete, rather than water down the initial information for the sake of summary. FWIW, I think the "official" line on the difference between FIP-based WAR and RA9-based WAR is that the larger the sample of performance gets (assuming stable conditions like velocity and stuff), the more accurate RA9-WAR becomes as a predictor of future performance and, by extension, as a proxy for "true talent." It's pretty rare, though, that a pitcher accumulates enough innings WITHOUT significant physiological or circumstantial changes that we would feel better looking to RA9-WAR as the "primary" tool. When it does turn out that way, it's usually a sign of a pretty extreme case, such as someone who is abnormally good at homerun prevention over a very long time without suffering any major injuries that would diminish velocity.