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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) He's made many- he's basically an amateur. Heck, tonight he left his starting pitcher in to give up 13 hits in less than 4 innings. Didn't even try to win the game. Yeah, tonight was way worse. For example, he had Semien, Abreu, AND Vicedo all go 0 for 4. What kind of strategy is that?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 08:40 PM) I'm not sure he can pitch after playing the field Sure he can. It's the same thing as moving a guy to a different position. As long as he doesn't get taken out, he can move anywhere.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) MLB network guys criticized Robin but you are right too. We need a bullpen that can throw strikes. We had like 11 walks? Ridiculous Actually, 15. Two of them were Leury's, but still 13 for the real pitchers.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 02:32 PM) Hahaha, nice work.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 12:50 PM) What scout(s) thought it would be a good idea to acquire Paulino? Yes I want heads to roll over that acquisition. A common fan could tell you that was a bad idea. I think you could be justifiably angry about it in a year where we were expected to make a push, but in a "see what you have" year, heads aren't going to roll over trying to catch lightning in a bottle. In a "go for it" year, they would be expected to have a contingency plan, certainly. The guy has a lively arm, there's no question. Cooper success stories tend to be those where (1) a cutter is added to offset declining stuff, (2) mechanical changes are made to increase control, or (3) both. If Cooper saw something in his mechanics he thought he could fix, there's no question that this was a worthwhile experiment.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 07:03 AM) On the facebooks, I suggested 40 years, $1 billion. Thoughts? The AAV feels right, but I'm not going over 32 years.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 11:35 AM) Complete game, 92 pitches

With Beckham now rehabbing in AA and Semien going cold, I'm all in favor of handing the job to Beckham one more time and sticking Semien in Charlotte. I think Semien's process at the ML level has been really good, some time in AAA should boost his confidence and get him in a groove. Beckham gets one more hail mary, but I think he ultimately gets waiver-traded or DFA'd/

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 08:44 AM) Pfft, you guys are haters. Paulino is going to throw a 2 hitter tonight. Even if he does, there's no way he gets through more than 7 innings. That's a lot of bullpen runs.

Poll added.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 09:30 AM) I'll take the over, since they'll have to go at least 4 innings. I agree. Over

Ugh, meant to post this in the main forum. Was here because I was checking for an AAP. Please move, mods. Sorry

Follow the link for video: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/prospect-wa...don-and-garcia/

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 08:50 AM) It's surely not his fault that his guys walked 15 batters. I saw that and came to two possible non-mutually exclusive conclusions: 1) The pitchers were wild 2) The strike zone was small, erratic, and/or inconsistent. I didn't immediately think "hmm, Robin sure f'ed that one up." You hit it on the head when you said, "if he managed it like a 14 inning game, it would have been over in 9."

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 18, 2014 -> 08:28 AM) I especially like all the "Robin is the worst," "Robin has no business managing," "Robin never does anything right why is he still here" when the last manager made just as many or more reprehensible moves, but because the Sox had an incredible year all around in 2005, he gets a free pass as a result. All managers will look bad when their players fail, and all managers will look good when their players succeed. There are questionable moves that have been made, but someone is going to have a coronary if they continue to analyze every single move he makes under a microscope. I think anyone who is blaming Robin for the loss just read the boxscore. If you actually stayed up and watched the game you know it's clearly all on the bullpen performance.

Felipe "Soggy Burrito" Paulino (0-1, 7.98) vs. Martin Perez (2-0, 2.70) This is the first gamethread I've ever made. So if we can win THIS matchup, it's pretty much assured I'll take us through a 135-0 streak. O/U on runs scored against our bullpen: 4.5

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=91658

This thread is bonkers. This is like stuff from the White Sox Facebook Twitter account.

God this is the worst discussion we have six times a year.

What ever happened to Leyson Septimo? He get claimed?

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 03:27 PM) How about not bring an erratic Cleto in to start the ninth. Webb has been the best arm out of the pen. He should've came in after Downs. I can get the Downs, Petricka and veal because of the LH, RH, LH bats. The easy answer is that Webb pitched the night before.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) So he brings in the guy who wasn't even on the MLB roster to begin the year in the 8th inning up 2 with a runner on first? That was stupid. That whole 8th inning was poorly managed IMO Literally every reliever we have has been bad this year. He could have flipped a coin.

You and I must not have watched the same game. What I saw was a coach trying to save a two run lead by not letting his pitchers continue to walk three of every four batters they faced. I guess he could have let Veal or Cleto stay in and actually lose the game right then and there, thus eliminating the need to play extra innings.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 01:50 PM) Yeah, Kenny owes Ozzie nothing. The shots I saw of Kenny after the WS victory were of his celebrating pretty wildly. Ozzie had a lot to do with the best period of Kenny's professional life. That wasn't all Kenny, folks. He definitely had SOMETHING to do with it.

Depends if you trust the Pitch F/X or Fangraphs discipline numbers more. According to Pitch F/X, he's laid off more bad pitches. According to Fangraphs, he hasn't. According to both, he's making MUCH more contact on good pitches. The BABIP will drop 80-100 points, so that's bad. The LD rate will drop (thought it's hard to say how much), so that's bad. He's never had a Z-Contact better than ~5% below league average, and he's suddenly 5% over. That's the thing to watch, IMO. Has he stopped swinging so hard in order to make more contact? Good or bad, that could make a real difference. I need to look into how FG calculates discipline numbers relative to Pitch F/X so I can decide which one I want to believe.