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Thanks for digging that up. He's definitely not a international free agent at this time, so I believe the bullets at the end are how it will go if/when he's posted.
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Suzuki has been a far more advanced hitter the entire time (understandably, with the whole pitching thing). Obviously Ohtani turned out to be a generational talent, but at the time Ohtani came to MLB, I don't think anyone thought he was a better hitter than Suzuki.
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He only played 11 games for the top team in his rookie year, I don't think he's actually accrued enough service for international free agency. Also, filing for free agency is not NEARLY the "automatic" move that it is in MLB. There are no guaranteed salary contracts in NPB (though there are "personal services" contracts that serve as de facto free agency guarantees); every player essentially independently negotiates a raise every season, and the team can refuse to offer them a contract at any time. When a player is eligible to file for free agency for the first time, the expectation is nearly always that they try to come to a deal with their current team first, and only go to free agency if that fails. When that happens, it's generally considered to be a falling out between the two parties. As such, there are only ever a handful of free agents each season, and sometimes there are no difference makers at all. So, even if Suzuki was able to file for international free agency, it would be much more likely for both sides to amicably agree to posting as a parting. It's one of the reasons why the typical NPB "true free agent" is typically a past-his-prime star, because a lot of times those guys end up with big disagreements on salary.
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Off the top of my head, there are... four domes? Tokyo dome (Giants), PayPay Dome (Hawks), Nagoya Dome (Lions, which, look that place up, it's actually an OUTDOOR dome. A concrete bowl but with open walls. It's supposedly just miserable -- hot and extremely humid in the summer, freezing and drafty in the winter), and Sapporo Dome (Fighters). The rest, I believe, are outdoors. Also, interestingly, NPB teams typically play 20 or so games a year in "regional" stadiums that are in their general region but far enough from the main city that those people don't get into see them play easily. IIRC, only a few of the teams actually own their stadiums, so the relationship between the teams and the place they play is more like an events contract, so there's more freedom to "tour," but also far fewer revenue streams. The trend is, unsurprisingly, team are moving more in the direction of building and owning their stadiums to make more money as time goes on.
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An interesting question. Now that you mention it, I'm not sure there is even a currently active posting agreement. I might try to ask Jim Allen about that. Also, like so many other things, the potential of a prolonged work stoppage could ruin this.
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Yeah, with the exception of Ohtani, this is definitely the most exciting hitter to be posted (assuming he is) in quite a while.
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Superstar Carp RF Seiya Suzuki, long expected to be an eventual MLB player, is expected to be posted this offseason. He's having a monster, MVP-caliber platform season, fueled by an absolutely insane second half. Although they're currently in the midst of an improbable late season run that has brought them within shouting distance of third place (the NPB season doesn't end until the end of October this year because of the break they took for the Olympics), the Carp have been garbage for a few years now and don't look to be a threat any time soon, so it's an alright time to let him go. Logically, it seems like the perfect year to make the jump, and everyone I follow for news believes it will happen now. The basics: He is currently in his age 26 season. He is right-handed batter with a slender, athletic build on a fairly wide-shouldered frame. It's a corner OF-only profile, but he's considered an average or better defender with a well above-average arm. He's an incredibly complete hitter at the plate -- the overall package is a middle-of-the-order run producer, but he stole 25 bases as recently as 2019. Despite being a slugger, his batting average is over .300 every year. It is not a stretch to consider him a 5-tool player, even though speed isn't REALLY his game. A little deeper: His success is centered around his ELITE plate discipline. It gives him 400 OBPs every year, but that's mostly a by-product of what he's doing -- he forces pitchers to come into the zone and just abuses them when they do. The raw power is impressive, even though the bat speed (to my extremely untrained, unprofessional, and unqualified eye) doesn't seem to be elite. He makes up for the (perhaps) lack of elite bat speed by being VERY short to the ball and employing a whip-like follow-through that, combined with his coiled load and leg kick, I suspect generates the bulk of the power: He is one of three current NPB hitters (the other two being Masataka Yoshida and Munetaka Murakami) that I consider legitimate, high upside MLB hitting prospects. Historically, it's been significantly more difficult for hitters to transition to MLB than for pitchers, and so it's difficult to ever be completely confident, but as far as experienced, MLB ready hitters go, this guy is about as promising a prospect as there is in Japan. Questions/Concerns/Downsides/Risks: Am I right that the bat speed maybe isn't elite? Is the fact that he's an extremely advanced hitter something that bodes well for his ability to adjust, or does indicate a lack of remaining upside? He plays in the Central League, which is understood to be the weaker of the leagues in the current era (like the NL is weaker than the AL). It is of course rare for the White Sox to even dip their toes in the NPB market, but given the years-long hole in RF, it certainly could be fun to dream/speculate. Stats: https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=suzuki001sei A random homer highlight comp:
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I haven't been following the thread, but I just felt the need to point out how relentlessly I was shit on when this trade was made, for the audacity to suggest that, given the volatility of relievers, Codi Heuer could end up being more valuable than Craig Kimbrel over the remaining few months of the season, and because of that I thought it was a very short-sighted move. I just need to point it out. Please remember it the next time you want to call me a hater. Thank you for your time.
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RON IN 2019: Thinking of cheering for the Cubs next year
Eminor3rd replied to ron883's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I think you'd be surprised to find out how much content gets removed, how many threads are locked, and how many suspensions quietly handed out each day/week around here. Ron has been the recipient of a lot of it. Moderation is best done as subtly as possible; it isn't supposed to create waves for people to rally for/against. -
RON IN 2019: Thinking of cheering for the Cubs next year
Eminor3rd replied to ron883's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Lmao. And we give it right back, because we're not soft. We don't ban people for being weird and annoying sometimes. -
ALDS Game 3 - HOU @ CWS - 7:07pm CDT
Eminor3rd replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in 2021 Season in Review
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ALDS Game 2 - Chicago @ Houston - 1:07pm CDT
Eminor3rd replied to Heads22's topic in 2021 Season in Review
Oh give me a break. -
ALDS Game 2 - Chicago @ Houston - 1:07pm CDT
Eminor3rd replied to Heads22's topic in 2021 Season in Review
Wait, what did Buck say about Moncada? Also, Evan Williams has to love that ad break, lmao -
For sure. We used to only have one Micker Adolfo, now we have ten. Stack enough up and a few will hit.
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Sox vs. Yankees 6:15pm CDT - In Iowa - on FOX
Eminor3rd replied to knightni's topic in 2021 Season in Review
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Murakami with that easy pop.
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Tough to lose when a dude hits three homers and one is a grand slam
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I know that a lot of what I'm about to type is NOT what you're saying -- I don't mean to put words in your mouth. But some thoughts and reactions for the sake of the entire conversation: - When people rail against the bunt, they are railing against the sacrifice bunt. The bunt-for-hit is an entirely different animal, and no significant group of people has an issue with it if it's used in a situation where it has a good chance to be successful. - It's easy to say you love something when it works, and easy to ignore it in the much more frequent instances when it doesn't. Cesar was only safe because Jose Ramirez made a throwing error. Ramirez probably only makes that error because the pitcher almost ran him over. If you ran that same play ten times, Cesar is certainly out more often than he is safe, and probably by a large margin. - People hate the sacrifice bunt because it leads to fewer runs in almost every situation. Very few people disagree that smallball is fun, but what's even more fun is winning games. Generally speaking, people want the team to do the thing that makes them most likely to win. - Even ignoring the lowered run expectancy of a typical sacrifice bunt, there is a significant rate of failure in even making the bunt play. I watch a ton of Japanese baseball, and they bunt probably literally ten times more often than MLB. They are also WAY better at executing the bunt, and even they fail (pop-up, foul out, lead runner cut down, etc.) a shockingly high percentage of the time -- like probably 20% of the time. It is significantly more likely that the batter will fail to execute the bunt than it is that the defense will fail to record the out. All of the above said, I didn't have any issue with Cesar's bunt. He did it because he thought it was the best way to get on base, he thought the defense wasn't ready, and he figured the sac bunt situation was the worst case result. I don't think it was a bad play all. But it doesn't make any sense to take an instance where a bunt works and try to apply it to an argument about bunting in general, outside of context. All of the above stands despite Cesar's bunt being a good play; don't take a good bunt and use it to argue in support of bad bunts.
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Absolutely not.
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The Dodgers did it once, it was locking up their own guy, and it was at a rate that doesn't stop them from doing anything else. The White Sox have just done it twice with Hendriks and Kimbrel, and it was acquiring another team's guy at peak value, and they have something like a quarter of their payroll tied into it. I'll admit that you found an exception that doesn't quite fit the mold I laid out for success, but I don't think it disproves the general rule, and I think the Sox (in this manner, buying bullpen pieces at peak value in lieu of other upgrades) look more like the Rockies two years ago with their strategy than they look like the Dodgers. But I do agree with the need to put the pedal down. I'm not asking for them not to be aggressive, I just see them repeatedly being aggressive in ways that don't feel like the best choice available.
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If you look at fraction of payroll, that's not really true. As far as the second sentence goes -- yeah, I guess I'm just noticing that this is looking more and more like a short window of contention with each transaction that's made, and maybe I just need time to come to terms with that.
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I just, I don't know... It's a lot of money tied up in a lot of short-term, high risk value. The only other team in recent history that decided to dump this much money into the back-end of their bullpen is the fucking Rockies, and we're dumping money AND player talent into it. I think there's a good reason that the progressive teams sell off good bullpen pieces every year and seem to find a way to make new ones out of thin air. There are methods for maximizing raw stuff, but these guys typically don't have enough tricks to make it last very long. I know Kimbrel has made a whole career of it, but he also looked completely destroyed for the two season prior to this. Once again, the Sox are making an upgrade, but doing it in a very inefficient way with a fiscal policy that doesn't have much room for inefficiency. I just hope it works.
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My hot take is that I don't like this. I don't think Kimbrel is AT ALL a guarantee to be good for the next year and a half. Heuer was a good bet to bounce back based on his FIP/xFIP, meaning this very well may not be AS MUCH of an upgrade as the name value indicates.
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What the f
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In this case, the price is going to be determined by the number of serious suitors, not the free agent market value of his contract.