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QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) Funny thing is, no one will know if you are being facetious here or not. Sure they will -- if I was, it would be green

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 03:18 PM) I don't know about going young. Phegley is only 2 years younger than Flowers. Which is a huge difference.

Interesting comparison: http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?players=242,319 LOL, also: http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?players=319,242,255

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 02:59 PM) I just don't see how anybody could be anything but dismayed at having Dunn on the team. At least Paulie has a history of excellence. Same with Robin as much as I detest him as a manager. Dunn on the other hand has sort of trainwrecked this franchise cause of his salary and performance IMO. We all like Paulie way more than Dunn, but the fact is that the current version of Dunn is a more productive player than the current version of Paulie. So if you want to do everything you can to win, you have to choose Dunn. If you'd still rather have Konerko, that's fine, but know that you're choosing to make the team worse next year based on the information we have now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 12:26 PM) I still come down to "If Phegley has a 1% chance of being a long term solution for the Sox at catcher...that is still better than the chances of AJ Pierzynski being a long term solution at catcher". I understand the Sox signing a catcher, or even trading for one, but it would have to be a guy who would fit well with about 200 PA's if they're not shooting for a high-valued one. It makes zero sense to sign a guy who we know won't be a solution in a year or two. Agreed

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 11:55 AM) You seem pretty sure about this. It's not often you see a player retire in the middle of a season. It also wouldn't be a non-issue at all -- if you committed to Konerko and gave him a role that subsequently ended in his midseason retirement, you'd likely also have made some roster moves that led to being completely irrelevant very early in the season.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 07:07 PM) If I had a billion dollar asset I would not sweat an additional $10M expenditure. Which is probably the best reason that you DON'T have a billion dollar asset.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 04:47 PM) Let's just say we disagree about how to run a business. If you are advocating throwing $10m around willy-nilly simply because your business is worth a lot, I'd say that you disagree with practically everyone on how to run a business.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 04:16 PM) You're the one saying they should sweat $10M not me. lol what? No, YOU are making the claim that $10m should mean nothing to them. The null hypothesis is the established fact that making money is important to private businesses with shareholders.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 03:02 PM) Isn't Murphy a 3B who was forced to 2B with the presence of David Wright? I would take him. Not sure what it would cost for his last two arb years as he will probably make around $6M this season and who knows next season. The Mets are also looking at moving D'Arnaud from previous reports, so maybe a deal that could fill two holes. Still, all those prospects are in the running for 3B too. It would be an upgrade, but IMO we should be using resources on other things first.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 03:27 PM) That to me is the most difficult thing when hou really aren't developing your own guys. In free agency, there may be better guys available next year or the year after but things can change. They might not be as desirable in a year or two, and other teams may have a need and depending on who they are, drive the price up. If the Yankees or Dodgers really needed a firstbaseman, does anyone really think the Sox would have gotten Abreu? Timing plays a huge role, and a lot of it is just luck. Great post

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 03:01 PM) I think we should look at the Sox as a billion dollar business and not a mom and pop outfit. That has nothing to do with being willing to waste money. Guess how they became a billion dollar business? By not wasting money.

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 01:49 PM) Mets are making him available. Thoughts? For the right price, he'd be an upgrade over Beckham and a left-handed bat that could hit in the 2-spot, though I doubt we would be interested. Our best, closest to the majors prospects are all MI, I'd be shocked if went outside the organization to replace Beckham without giving the Semien/Garcia/Sanchez/Johnson team a shot first.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) Different profile. Mitchell has similar power, but will hit for a lower average, while walking a lot more. Also Mitchell, when healthy, has better speed. And even through his offensive struggles, his defense has been cited as being very good in CF. If Mitchell can hit for a reasonable average, with the rest of the tools he brings, he could be better than De Aza overall. but that hitting for average part is a big question mark. Also, I could be wrong, but didn't both of them have significant leg injuries that sapped their formerly elite speed?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) Different profile. Mitchell has similar power, but will hit for a lower average, while walking a lot more. Also Mitchell, when healthy, has better speed. And even through his offensive struggles, his defense has been cited as being very good in CF. If Mitchell can hit for a reasonable average, with the rest of the tools he brings, he could be better than De Aza overall. but that hitting for average part is a big question mark. I'd assume the lower average and higher walk rate would offset to be roughly the same value. Either of them would ideally be 7 hitters.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 12:55 PM) There probably won't be room for him anyway, but if he does step up, it would make a dealing of De Aza or Viciedo a lot easier to do. Yeah, he seems like his ceiling could be very similar to what De Aza is right now.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 17, 2013 -> 05:40 AM) $25M in extra TV money. I'm not disagreeing with your main point, but I would expect a lower payroll because of competitive reasons rather than declining attendance. That extra TV money should easily offset that. QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 17, 2013 -> 10:25 AM) 6 probably 7 years of profitability too. Mismanagement of the farm system is a big reason why the Sox are where they are. They have the ability to spend money to make up for that mismanagement. It will be disappointing if the payroll is cut. Just because you HAVE money doesn't mean you NEED to spend it all. Free agency provides player value at market rate, by definition. When you are not within range of the prize, it makes more sense to target assets with surplus value. Why would you spend market rate on a bunch of wins that won't add up to a championship? Those are the LAST assets you should add to the mix. In adding payroll, the Sox should ONLY be looking to add assets that have surplus value. If those guys aren't there, spending money for the hell of it makes no sense. Bank it and spend it when those guys ARE there.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 17, 2013 -> 07:54 PM) The pitching could support a 90 win team. They just need to score some runs, somehow. Sure, but that's a very tall order. They aren't even close to an acceptable offense.

The truth of the last two years, is of course, in the middle of 85 and 63 wins. However, we don't even have that team anymore. Konerko is likely cooked. Rios, Peavy, Thornton, Pierzynski are all gone. You can be confident in Abreu and still get a true talent low 70's win team. It's not impossible for us to compete, but it is very unlikely. We should accept this reality.

I have no idea at all why you would expect the payroll NOT to be lower. 99 loss team, seven straight years of declining attendance.

Lyle Mouton!

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 04:47 PM) Although I am one of the strongest advocates of a left handed hitting addition to the lineup, I don't see the need for a left handed hitting catcher. Any solid defensive back stop, who can get on base at a respectable rate would be fine. It's in the middle of the order that this team needs that left handed presence I think it's safe to say that you are THE strongest advocate for a left-handed hitting (middle of the order) addition to the lineup

QUOTE (ron883 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 04:07 PM) so in 4 years it will be 18m? 20m in 6 years? no, dont think so. these guys wont be making that kind of cash. It's the average of the top 100 highest paid players. It will absolutely go up every year pending some financial cataclysm within the sport. Will it go up that fast? Who knows.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) Myth. There you have it.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 01:22 PM) Yeah, Jason Parks (BP) referred to his fastball as a "mother****er" pitch.