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QUOTE (JPN366 @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) Blah, who cares? Lol what? I'm not judging their history, I'm just saying anyone would have stepped up and said something to Gomez after what Gomez just did. Maybe Gomez was the good guy or maybe not, but the fact that McCann stood up and got in his face isn't damning, IMO. Again, just from watching the clip.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 11:54 AM) The problem is this isnt the only time this season that McCann acted like that(Jose Fernandez). Whatever, you dont like it, I dont care. I want McCann, asshole or not, I just want that crap to stop. Its all good. Yeah, I mean I'm not saying you're wrong about him. I don't really know. I just don't think he was so far out of line in that Gomez incident. I think the media blew that up in a weird way.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 11:48 AM) I saw exactly what happened, and I know that Gomez and Maholm had a history. Maholm has beaned Gomez 3 times in 25 at bats, and Gomez in turn is absilutely crushing him to the tune of like .480. It isnt like Gomez just randomly started talking s***. Regardless, nobody annointed the Braves or McCann as the policeman of the unwritten rules of baseball. You dont want Gomez to talk s***? Dont bean him, and dont let him beat you. Pretty simple. McCann and AJ are both assholes, that i dont dispute, but not the same way. History or not, you can't scream at the pitcher literally the entire time around the bases and not expect someone to start yelling back. Whether he crossed the plate or not was irrelevant. To me, it was not unlike every other time guys start yelling at one another and the benches clear to nothing happening.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 11:08 AM) You're not getting his point. If we stand pat from here the payroll would drop ~50 millionish from OD '13. Friend, you are not getting MY point I'm not saying they will or should stand pat, but there is a huge difference between standing pat and adding a $100m contract. I'm just saying it's unprecedented (I think ) for a team to break its record for largest contract twice in a single offseason, and it's even stranger coming off of a 99 loss season. I'm just saying we should temper our expectations. Throwinjg around money like never before tends to be a little video-gamey for teams to do.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 11:07 AM) AJ never did that stuff. He may have talked s***, but he didnt stop a player from crossing homeplate because he celebrated a homerun. AJ was an agitator, not a policeman. I don't think you guys actually saw what happened. It had nothing to do with celebration. Gomez was directly confronting the pitcher verbally.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 10:44 AM) Sticking up for you team at any cost is one thing. Getting indigant at a player about admiring a homerun is pointless. Did you watch the clip? Gomez was yelling at the pitcher all the way around the bases

Keith Law's Insider reaction piece essentially says that this is a weird move for the White Sox because it's risky and that Abreu has a good chance of declining rapidly by the time the Sox are contending in a few years.

I am on the Jaramillo bandwagon

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 09:42 AM) Abreu will make less than Peavy was supposed to make. Less than Rios was supposed to make, depending how they break it down, about as much as Floyd was paid for 2013. Konerko, Thornton, Crain all gone. An additional $25 million from the national TV contract. There is plenty more money to spend if they chose to spend it. I'm not saying they don't HAVE it, I'm just saying that the budget is oftentimes much lower than the total size of the bank account.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 08:59 AM) I think realistically he comes down in the $175 million range for perhaps 8 years. I think he'll insist on -- and get -- $200m

I've been all about McCann for a long time now, but I wouldn't be surprised if the JDA signing took a lot of the money away from the McCann fund. Let's not forget that this is a 99 loss team. Situations like the 2013 Red Sox are uncommon, and they had a much better core than we do. Spending needs to happen, but it needs to happen cautiously. I don't think Hahn wants to put his job on the line in year two. That said, I'd love to have McCann, I just think it's much less likely now.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 06:58 AM) AJ is a better alternative Why? I think we've all agreed that if we're going to spend on FA, it should be for players who will be valuable 3-5 years out.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Oct 18, 2013 -> 09:26 AM) Yes, it's worth reiterating, when many of you continue to suggest acquiring more right handed hitters. If Hahn spends big money on another right handed hitter, I'll be shocked. Forget names such as Corey Hart, John Buck, Marlon Byrd etc. Moreover, there was more to my post, which only mentioned the need for the left handed hitter as the context in which I was speculating about the rest of the roster, and the lineup. What is your suggestion, beyond that I not belabor the need for a left handed hitter? I think you did just fine and you're right -- since you didn't suggest Grady Sizemore

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 10:55 PM) personally I think this closes the books on Granderson. Thank God. Amen to that

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 08:55 PM) Can anyone give any extensive details about how the negotiations work? As far as the sealed bid process, etc. He's an unrestricted free agent -- if there are rules like 'sealed bids,' JDA and his agent are making them up themselves. Could be anything.

John Lannan is really bad.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 07:08 PM) I hope someone can fill me in on how this predictor translator works: “@enosarris: Abreu's in news, so here's his Davenport Translation (biggest sample): .321/.446/.660. DT for Cespedes .271/.338/.489 (real: 265/.324/.472)” I'm not sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that while DT is our best estimator for this type of thing, it's not really very accurate. It's a pretty old model, I'm not sure if Clay kept updating it.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 05:03 PM) Yeah, Votto point obviously makes it make no sense, I was watching from fringe, looks like Rangers were part of it before he cut it down to 3, just mental lapse! Ahhh, that adds up better

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) I saw it in one of the stories threads, but weren't the Reds one of the teams mentioned that were in on him?

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 03:58 PM) Right. League average 1B put up a .776 OPS last year. An Adam Laroche. And what does a guy like that get on the FA market (requiring a loss of draft pick)? 12 million a year. Granted, Laroche isn't locking up a 6 year commitment, but Abreu is only 26. $10 -$12 million for a league average firstbaseman's 26 - 32 years is a pretty reasonable deal. Obviously there's a small chance he's a total bust, but I doubt it. Some chance he's a star, but if not, the deal is fine for some who's just solid. This ^

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 08:32 AM) I don't believe Alejandro De Aza can learn how to steal bases. (show Alexei's improvement) Yeah BUT HOW DID HE DO IN THE FIELD It's entirely possible, in that you can't DISPROVE it, that a player's defensive and baserunning skills are fueled by the SAME pool of mana. If this is true, and also the law of conservation of mass and energy is true, we can assume that any improvement ADA would make in one category would necessarily make him worse in the other. As far as explaining him getting worse at both? He would have to have been selling his mana for drugs or something.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 02:17 AM) What is the downward OPS/WAR correction from that Boston Red Sox offense to the White Sox, where there would be a lot less protection and definitely more offensive production expected...more pressure to earn his contract? There wouldn't be any correction -- WAR is based on context-neutral offensive statistics and is thus inherently adjusted for league and offensive environment, so it's safe to compare results from team to team. As far as lineup protection goes, it's among the most heavily researched controversies in sabermetrics today. People have tried very hard to find an effect for it, but no one has been able to do so. At least among sabermetricians, the current consensus is that lineup protection is a myth. I admit that it really does feel like it should be important intuitively, but the studies I've read have been pretty compelling. I guess it's more accurate to say that lineup protection does not have a significant effect on the offensive outcomes of a player -- it's still possible that there are several actual effects happening on the field that just happen to cancel each other out. It just doesn't end up with a player hitting better or worse. I have no idea how to tell if he'd respond significantly to changing levels of pressure. I guess that's just something the team has to try to gauge when getting to know him. EDIT: Once again didn't see that wite already said this. I do this s*** with email, too. I have a bunch to read and I just take them one by one only to realize that there have been more emails further down in my pile that have changed the situation. I'm not very effective as a person, overall.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 17, 2013 -> 09:30 AM) I am glad the White Sox are rid of Jake Peavy. Interesting.

I don't know guys... if his true talent is 2013 Salty, he could be a real solid contributor for several years. He'll only be 29 next year, and he just put up a 3.7 WAR season. A lot of that is from above average defense. I'd pay $8m a year for 3-4 WAR for the next 4 years without blinking.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 16, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) We NEED him worst than any of the other teams. I know Houston is a worse team, but he doesn'e help Houston like he helps us. I'm more afraid of the Rangers nabbing him.