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My point is that I think Santiago is overrated by us. Not valueless, but a controllable #4 starter is not going to bring back something exciting. Useful, yes. Trumbo is probably a good fit, realistically, but he's way overrated because of his homers. I think the perceived value of Trumbo is much higher than his actual value, and Santiago isn't enough to get him. Certainly not Trumbo+

This is the key quotation, IMO:

Sign Abreu. No Morales.

De Aza works out to be an average Major Leaguer. Look at his numbers -- this year is no different. An average Major Leaguer at arbitration price on a team with 100 losses is nothing to shake a stick at. You guys are crazy.

You guys do realize Pence just had a great season, don't you?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 08:20 AM) If Sizemore gets anything more than a minor league contract, his agent will have succeeded greatly. Trumbo is a free swinging, low OBP right handed slugger. He has the kind of potential to hit 40+ homers, but he could just as easily turn into Mark Reynolds too. Santiago, on the other hand, has put up good numbers 2 years in a row, including very good numbers this year. If the Angels declined that trade, then you walk away because you aren't dealing with a sane organization. Hector just put up a 1.5 WAR season, Trumbo just put up a 2.5 WAR season.

I hate this season. This f***ing team has done nothing but make my day worse all summer. I can't even relax and drink a beer and watch our f***ing ace throw a half decent game. Thank god these bums are almost done.

Dude, Garcia f***ing sucks at defense.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 27, 2013 -> 10:04 AM) Time to hang it up Paulie. It's been a good run. Yeah, I'm sure greg will come up with a derogatory name (a la draftnik) for those of us that want Paulie to retire, but the fact is we all love him, we just don't want him to become a zombie. It's been a good run, Paulie -- you're rich, you're a local legend, you got a ring. We'll build you a statue. I'll try to show up Sunday to see you rid eoff into the sunset.

Sickels has always leaned more heavily on statistical success in the minors than most of the 'pop scouts.' Hard to ignore Johnson/Semien though, given that they avoided embarrassing themselves at the ML level this year. We might have 2 top 100 guys next year, isn't it exciting? Lol

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 26, 2013 -> 04:16 PM) At 26 years old he needs to be ready to start in the bigs. I find it interesting he showcases at the Yankees camp. Hopefuilly I am reading too much into that Reports that Cano seeks 10 years and $305m probably pull them out of the bidding. They can't get serious about both, and there's only one DH slot for Teixeira and ARod to share.

Merry Clinchmas!

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 26, 2013 -> 01:28 PM) Carlos Quentin Alejandro De Aza Jayson Nix Esteban Loaiza (if he counts) D.J. Carrasco J.J. Putz Cliff Politte Shingo Shingo!

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Sep 26, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) BAD to be sure but all the same a guy who in two and a half months time hits .300 is doing SOMETHING right, therefore not deserving of an F. He had an absolutely horrendous start and I think his overall stats which you quoted are a wee bit clouded. Still, I agree he was bad. At the seasons start I hoped for a B or C type season from him not a D or an F. QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 26, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) I think he deserves SOME credit for his June and August numbers. June- .317/.388/.400 August- .316/.359/.474 Even if you wanna throw out his September (.307/.350/.417) due to only having 36 Abs. The fact that he's played mostly 1B/3B/DH does put a damper on those numbers(namely the slugging%) but overall I'm fine giving him the D grade..Though I won't really argue with anyone giving him an F. I see your point(s). On a related note, it's almost hard to believe how bad he had to be the rest of the year to have had 2-3 solid months in there and still to end up with his season line how it was.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 26, 2013 -> 02:32 PM) There are definitely rotations I'd take above the Sox - off hand, Texas, Oakland, and Detroit come to mind, with Boston and Tampa right around there - but it's a good foundation. I think Danks can be a 4.00 ERA guy again, but it's been a while since he threw this many innings. I agree with you on all that. I think Dick Allen is making a strong contrary case because we (all of us) have had to hang our hats on the quality of the rotation as the bright spot long enough that we are perhaps overrating it a bit.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 26, 2013 -> 02:23 PM) I will let you believe that a rotation featuring Chris Sale, Hector Santiago, Jose Quintana, John Danks, and Erik Johnson is average. This is a petty argument. It's above average, but let's be honest, it's not THAT far above average. Sale is elite, QUintana is very good, Santiago is solid, Johnson will probably be solid, and Danks is a disaster that may never recover. A lot of what makes the rotation valuable is the upside of Johnson and Santiago, which is real, but who knows when it will show up. Danks is far from a sure thing at this point.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Sep 26, 2013 -> 02:08 PM) I like how you came up with the grades and as far as Keppinger goes, that's exactly what I was talking about. Because of those months where he hit .300 or better, he does not deserve an F. I think too many here on Soxtalk are blinded by their hatred for him. I'm blinded by his stat line: .253/.283/.317, 59 wRC+, -4.9 defensive runs, -3.7 UBR, -1.6 fWAR. I mean, holy s***.

Can't see any way Keppinger isn't an F, considering he was the least valuable player in the entire AL by fWAR.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) You would say that. It's only appropriate that his name got me a consolation game finish.

QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 11:30 AM) Too friendly for an ogre. More like a baseball incubus. Incubus should have been his nickname

Lyle Mouton! Ron Karkovice! Matt Thornton!

QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 07:28 AM) Alex Rios appears to be some kind of unlucky charm. He succeeds individually while sucking the winning out of the ball club. He's a warlock! His magic is based on absorbing the life force of his teammates!

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 09:30 AM) Hell no! Why not? It would be an incentive based deal, so you could cut him in the Spring if he looked horrible, and relying on him as a 5th starter would allow us to deal a good pitcher (or two!) for ML offensive talent. Sign me up for Floyd on a 1yr/~$2m guarantee with ~$4m in incentives based on IP

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 24, 2013 -> 04:48 PM) You must not remember the departure and return and departure of Angel Sanchez Ahh yes. You're right. I didn't remember that. I don't think there was even a yawn at that one.

Largest collective yawn in Soxtalk history?