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http://www.fangraphs.com/not/that-time-the...price-is-right/ Click the link for the picture. Because it's September 20th and we're 60-92.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 19, 2013 -> 01:42 PM) But if our slow pitchers helped cause the defensive woes ... and if the defensive woes caused us to lose 33 one-run games, hmmmm would he have been worth signing? If it was up to you, we'd have a $275m payroll of 35 year olds.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2013 -> 12:10 PM) If you were him, would you be trying to lock up a 6 year, 9 figure deal this offseason or would you try to push your luck to stay healthy the whole way? I'd take the money and hit free agency again. But I'm not already making ~$500k per year like he is.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 19, 2013 -> 11:39 AM) This conversation led me to look up some numbers...it appears that this Mike Trout fella is pretty good. Yeah that kid is going to be so filthy rich if he stays healthy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) Nice work

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 18, 2013 -> 06:37 PM) 7 bWAR. His fWAR isn't as spectacular. Good catch. I didn't notice that.

http://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/..._puts_him_in_a/ Someone put a chart together listing Chris Sale and the 11 other pitchers in history to put up 7+ WAR seasons but end up with a sub-.500 record.

Lol, I've never seen a thread crash and burn so quickly and efficiently.

Yay marketing!

Quick hands there by Semien.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 17, 2013 -> 04:39 PM) This is the concern with any player that isn't in the MLB. You look at what he does when he isn't doing well and then you wonder...will those things happen a BUNCH at the next level and be his downfall? It's difficult to tell. Yeah, it comes down to the Sox scouting assessment. If they feel like his swing won't translate, I wouldn't pay a dollar for him. But if they are among those high on him, they should really go balls out.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 17, 2013 -> 11:26 AM) I'm still liking taking a chance on Chase Headley even if it takes Santiago to get him. He's a gold glove 3rd basemen who if you discard his 1 really bad month still put up a .269/.361/.473(inflated by his .308/.400/.718 September so far.....763 ops if you discard Sept)....I know people will bring up how he only had 1 big year but if you look at his home/road splits he's put up an ops over .800 in 2011(.864), 2009(.803), and 2008(.831) on the road as well. So I think taking him out of Petco and putting him in the Cell will do him a lot of good....I'd like to get him for less than Santiago if possible but probably wouldn't hesitate to do it straight up. But he's 30 and a pending free agent next year.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 17, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) Assuming they were to get rid of Kendrick, I think they'd have interest in Beckham, but whether they'd give up Bourjos for him is something I'd question just due to cost and service time alone. Trying to think of impact bats that could be available is a bit more difficult. Are we talking about impact bats like Jose Bautista or perhaps other smaller bats instead? Unfortunately we're probably still talking prospects if we're considering moving Santiago/Quintana. I actually don't think the Brewers would even move Gomez for one of those two guys, but I agree the thought makes sense on paper.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Sep 17, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) Angels, like the Brewers, will be looking for pitching. Indeed. I don't think I'd give them one of our starters for anything they have available. Maybe Bourjos + Cowart + Cron, but that sounds like a lot in current prospect dollars.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 17, 2013 -> 09:59 AM) I like Gomez, and while I agree he's not a +20, I also think he's better than the +5 he showed last year. I think he's legitimately a +10-12 defender in CF, which is still incredibly valuable. I think the power is for real, I think he is about a 115 wRC+ offensively, and I still think there's room to grow. The question is: do you want to pay a premium for a marginal upgrade offensively, or perhaps deal for someone like Bourjos while taking a hit offensively? Yeah, I think that is the real question. Since we have no offense even in our corners, I feel like we need to save our bullets for a true impact bat, even if it's a lumbering first baseman. I'd swap busts for Bourjos and try to get a stick with Santiago. Angels are supposedly going to try to deal Kendrick in the offseason, think they might want Beckham as a stopgap replacement?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2013 -> 08:21 AM) ARGH lol, you KNOW he edited that line in, too. He read over the post, saw nothing controversial, and had to go back and throw an oldie in.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 04:35 PM) "Garcia is hitting .225 since starting out .360 with the White Sox" I told you guys it wasn't sustainable. Not saying he can't improve, but he needs to learn to identify pitches before he's going to be an impact hitter.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2013 -> 09:10 AM) For comparison though, Quintana is on his way to a 4 fWAR season and has 2 more years remaining where he's pre-arb. Carlos Gomez is paid $7 million next year whereas Quintana is paid $500k unless we extend him. if 1 WAR = $6 million, then when you factor in the contracts Carlos Gomez right now is only worth ~1 WAR more than Quintana/$6 million more right now, and Quintana is younger and has every reason based on this season to think he can continue to improve next year. Given all those things I'd take the slightly younger player, but then if you throw in the fact that there should be a major premium on cost-controlled, left-handed pitching, Quintana alone might well be an overpay for him. Santiago I'd be more willing to consider because the Sox have jerked him around and blew a year of pre-arb time for him out of the bullpen these last 2 seasons. But you must factor that we have pitching and desperately need hitting. I don't like Gomez, but that's because I think he played over his head this year and won't reach this height again, not because I don't think his 2013 has been incredibly valuable. If I thought Gomez was for real, I'd give up Santiago + Thompson + a third piece without thinking twice. 27 year old 6-7WAR CF? Sign me up. But is he really a +20 defender? Is anyone really a +20 defender? Do we really need another 25% K, 6% BB kind of guy? The .339 OBP is fine from him if he stays there, but the components don't add up and his history screams otherwise. Maybe he can sustain a .351 BABIP, but that would put him up there with the greatest of all-time. This looks a lot like his career year to me, and his batting line looks a lot like Alex Rios. Don't get me wrong, Rios' bat + elite CF defense is a helluva player, but it doesn't sit in the middle of the order for a contender, and it doesn't come with any upside, IMO. I like the idea, just not the player.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 05:52 PM) Not about giving Choo all that money. I think you can still make a nice signing of a guy in that age group. Everyone is going to have his warts. When and if Trout becomes a free agent, you can bet even though he will probably only be 26 or 27, he isn't going to sign for 5 years. Unless you draft them and develop them or only have them a couple of seasons, you are probably going to have most elite players umder comtract for his age 32 season and beyond. Right, but that must be done because it's the price of business. Since it's an open market, the prize goes to who is willing to sacrifice the most. When teams sign those guys, they are committing to pain in the future in order to get what they need to push them over the top. The pain is worth it if and only if you get a flag now. If we were an 88 win team somehow, you'd have to consider guys like Choo. But we're not even an 88 LOSS team. We need guys that project to be assets in the future, not liabilities.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 03:26 PM) He has been playing with a bad quad for over a month. I think the Sox will bring him back and he has shown for stretches he can hit. He has been banged up this year. If he can stay healthy, IMO, he will put up good numbers. Can he stay healthy is a good question though. He's been playing with a bad bat for 5 years. I just don't see any indication that there's upside left. He's got almost 2500 Major League plate appearances.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 03:42 PM) Not much of a Facebook guy, but there's a good Sox page I follow. They're usually pretty good with info, they leaked the Peavy and Crain deals many hours before they were official. Here's what they posted recently on Beckham: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=433...5219&type=1 Oh jesus, some of those comments.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) Deep and profound philosophy on SoxTalk.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 03:24 PM) I wouldn't give Choo $100 million either. Then why are you arguing with me, friend?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) I am not talking about this year, and I don't endorse signing someone for 7 years who is 32 years old. But walking away from every 32 year old is a mistake. There are plenty of 32 year olds who can have a small regression but still be better than what the White Sox can put on the field right now. I think they are going after Abreu and McCann myself. Ideally, they get both, but I'm thinking they would be happy with at least one. I also think they try to add a couple more guys to very short term make good contracts, and depending on how well that goes, trade from their pitching strength to get someone who can hit. They have to bolster the offense, and while they may not be able to totally do so in 1 offseason, I think they will make enough moves to at least keep it interesting. We probably have to hope for Tank and Garcia and Beckham to blossom next year to be elite, but there could be enough to win even if they don't. Look at Cleveland. Reynolds was so bad he was DFA'd. Swisher and Bourne haven't exactly been spectacular, and Asdrubal has been not so good himself, yet they have a shot. As bad as the Sox have been, they were in a lot of close games where any kind of offense gets them wins. These losses at the end count, but they aren't playing with a full deck because of being out of the race so early. I'm not suggesting walking away from every 32 year old at all. I'm suggesting staying away from paying a guy $100m to be good for 2 years and bad for 3. This was about Choo specifically, because of his flaws and likely market demand. I mentioned a few pages back I'd love to add him at the right price, but not at anything that approaches what I think he'll get.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 03:02 PM) I'll keep repeating it as long as people keep saying what you just said. His glove isn't elite. It just isn't. He's somewhere around average. Doesn't have a lot of range, turns a good double play, is a good fit next to Alexei because Alexei covers a lot of ground. His range has actually gone down quite a bit if you look at his year over year numbers as well.