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QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 03:07 PM) Me neither. I'm glad everyone is drinking the cool-aid now but with the way we're going, I fear the best case scenario is either a rebuilt team that maybe becomes competitive a long ways down the road, or some reincarnation of our recent strategy of retooling that accomplishes nothing more than the previous few teams have. I'm just not a fan of selling off these guys for nothing when we'll probably just resign similar players. This talk of Morales makes me ill. My problem is that so little of this money we're saving can go into the draft/int'l market. Which, ironically, is part of Reinsdorf's legacy.

Man, I can't get excited about this.

QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 02:40 PM) What does Keith Law say about this deal? Then we can all decide whether this was good for the team or not. keithlaw ‏@keithlaw 14m Utility infielder. "@Kaufmak: @keithlaw Leury Garcia?" Expand

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) As much as I mock Danks for his inability to keep the ball in the park, his peripherals besides HR allowed have been incredible. It is significant to note that HR rate is by far the least reliable predictor of future performance among the DIPS constants. Meaning that if Danks is sucking only becaus eof HRs, there's a good chance he'll regress in the right direction.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 02:23 PM) Leury Garcia's combined numbers between AA and AAA: 147 games 624 PAs 570 ABs 86 runs 161 hits 20 2B 15 3B 6 HR 49 RBI 43 SB 11 CS 132 K 36 BB .282 AVG .329 OBP .402 SLG Not bad for a 22 year-old. A better version of Carlos Sanchez? I think he's going to remind us of Eduardo Escobar

Underrated player because of one legendarily bad year.

So, ANOTHER guy named Garcia who strikes out all the time and never walks?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) If Cecchini was in our system and Semien was in Boston would their standing as top 100 guys be reversed? I just think it's funny. Semien has performed the same if not better than Cecchini but everyone was clamoring for him in a Peavy deal like he's something we have never had before. It's a good question. If I had to guess, it's probably a matter of pedigree. Cecchini was a first rounder, right?

Unbelievable to me that the Rangers wouldn't give up one of their 6-12 type prospects for Rios. He solves so many immediate problems for them on top of letting them walk away from Cruz next year.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 10:29 PM) Even after this year I am still pretty high on Courtney Hawkins, like the article stated the issue he is going through can be fixed easily, and there are signs that he has the potential to be an impact player at the major league level, like his athleticism, ability to hit for power and his ability to hit mistakes. I think that his flaws are being highlighted due to the fact that he is playing against players with much more experience. His swing needs to be tightened up though, but it wouldn't surprise me if he has a good year. No reason not to be. He had an aggressive promotion because he was raking at age-appropriate levels. He needs to be challenged so he is forced to improve his mechanics and approach. At this point, he's got every bit the ceiling we originally thought we had. If he toils all of next year and shows no improvement, then we can start to worry.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 09:50 AM) You have certainly gone out of your way to be fair. I actually think you worry too much. Paralysis by analysis. I'm just glad the Sox got such a young guy who has already had success at the higest level no matter how brief it was. He obviously has a lot of talent. I'm not looking for reasons why he might fail. Yes ideally in a perfect world , he's not a finished product but show me more than a handful of guys at AAA who hit .375 and doesn't swing at alot of bad pitches. Then tell me you knew they were available for Peavy. In your mind you wanted more of a sure thing but it took some crazy 3 way trade just to come up with Garcia and he came from a team who needed badly to replace a guy who was going to get suspended and a team in our own division. That in itself tells me all the other guys who fit Hahns description of ML ready were not available . Yeah, definitely, I don't have any information to suggest that Garcia wasn't the best guy available, so I'll give Hahn the benefit of the doubt. It just really seemed like we were in a position to get a Garin Cecchini or Luis Sardinas or something, so I was disappointed. At least we didn't get Will Middlebrooks

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 08:21 PM) Financial flexibility always matters. If your players aren't good enough, you better have money. More money, more options. This ^

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 04:59 PM) The Sox should take Manny back. lol

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 04:51 PM) Rangers Claim Rios – Trade Unlikley Major League sources have confirmed that the Rangers claimed White Sox OF Alex Rios on trade waivers. The Rangers have until tomorrow to complete a trade for Rios, but sources say a deal is not likely. The two sides had multiple discussions before the non-waiver trade deadline but could not a agree on a deal. The White Sox were asking for Pitcher Martin Perez, Pitcher Luke Jackson and Infielder Rougned Odor – the Rangers were not interested in parting with those players for Rios. In other trade news: former Ranger infielder Michael Young has cleared waivers. The Rangers discussed trading for Young before the Non-Waiver deadline in July, but there were significant differences among the baseball Rangers baseball personel about that potentional acquisition and they never got close to making a deal for Young. The Rangers are still hoping that Lance Berkman will be able to return to the lineup in the next week to 10 days. More on the website later. This was on TR Sullivan's twitter account. TR Sullivan ‏@Sullivan_Ranger 2m Rangers Claim Rios - Trade Unlikley http://wp.me/p1rXwL-8WMY I would actually take 1 of Odor or Jackson in a heartbeat. That's such an insane overpay. I'd take Odor alone if they picked up the whole contract. I get that you have to start high, but asking for Perez is just wasting time.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Either way, if he went on waivers Monday, then a deal has to be done by Saturday right? Safe to say that it won't be long before we hear news

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 04:20 PM) I think his numbers are inflated, he's an injury risk, he's old, and he's going to command something in the $13-15 million range. Not the direction we need to go in if we're trading Alex Rios to the Rangers right now. I agree with all of this. He just isn't what he once was, and we've got outfielders that need at bats. There's a price where it makes sense -- low enough that you can dump him and not feel like your hands are tied -- but I don't think that his price will get that low.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 04:13 PM) I'll admit, us signing Granderson is like my worst fear as a Sox fan. Me too man.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 04:11 PM) I am not sure Gregg likes anyone LOL Greg likes all players the day after they have a good game, hates all players the day after they have a bad game.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 03:52 PM) If the Rangers thought Cruz was going to appeal and play for the rest of the season this wouldn't be surprising at all. My thoughts too. Hopefully the tables have turned enough to give something else up. At the end of the day, if the Rangers don't win the WS and it's because their offense stays cold, it'll be a shame they didn't give up some decent prospect for Rios. Solves their problem there next year, too. The fit just makes a ton of sense.

Danny Knobler Verified account ‏@DannyKnoblerCBS Rangers and White Sox "weren't even close" on Rios deal before the 31st, they told people with other teams.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 03:38 PM) I respectfully disagree. We're talking about Alex Rios here. I think their fan base, if knowledgeable, knows he is far from a savior or even a great ballplayer. I'd think some of their fan base won't want him at all. Look at this lineup: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=19815 They could REALLY use a decent right-handed bat in the OF. All of their OFs are left-handed except Jeff Baker. The DH is Profar, lol. I think it's a minority of fans that would rather their team avoid specific players because of personal feelings than to gain a substantially better chance to win at a reasonable price.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 03:29 PM) Danny Knobler ‏@DannyKnoblerCBS 23s Rios went on waivers on Monday. Means White Sox have until tomorrow to trade him or pull back off waivers and keep for rest of season. Has to be considered a good sign that the info leaked. Seems like if a waiver deal falls through, you never hear about it until after the fact.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 03:29 PM) If we count the 2 months we had him in 09, Rios has produced 7.7 WAR for the Sox (that's with really s***ty seasons in 09 and 11). So if we value those 7.7 WAR at $5 million per WAR, that's ~$39 million. The Sox have paid him around $45 million thus far. So he's been slightly overpaid. This is a rough calculation. It's probably more than $5 million per WAR now. Yeah, I didn't mean for the life of the contract, I just mean that, going forward, if he is the 3-4 WAR player he has been the past couple seasons @ $12.5m, he's a touch underpaid. And that's what any team that would acquire him would be concerned with.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 03:20 PM) I hope so too, but you never know at this point. I would like one of their young international guys Gallo might be a pretty realistic target. Massive power but definitely flawed enough that the Rangers might be willing to part with him.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 03:19 PM) After looking at their numbers, If i'm Texas, I am likely not dealing Sardinas AND taking in Rios's remaining contract. However, if I'm Texas, I would eat his entire salary AND deal Odor to make sure this deal gets done. Yeah I'm just dreaming on Sardinas because he's blocked by both Andrus and Profar. Normally, he'd be too rich of a talent, I think. Generally speaking, I'd guess Odor would be the highest we could shoot assuming we were only getting one guy back.