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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 6, 2013 -> 03:49 PM) Why would anyone trade Q or Santiago? No no no. You better be getting an all star, young position player in return. Also, you're not, so there goes that. I think he means that it would be a need-based swap, a la Pineda/Montero deal, but with more established players obviously. I actually think Quintana is an extension candidate.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 6, 2013 -> 09:32 AM) For what, Andy Wilkins? If he is willing to take a huge paycut, there is nothing in the system that really stops Konerko from coming back. If Dunn remains, you use the DH spot to get all of our OFs at bats.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 03:03 PM) And the results have been underwhelming. He's certainly not a reason not to acquire an OF'er. Guys in the minors are working on improving. Player Development needs to push them to give them a reason to change their ways. If they just let a guy sit an rake at low levels, he's just grinding in his worst habits that won't hurt him until he gets to higher levels. You can make a case that minor leaguers should ALWAYS be struggling up until the point that they dominate at the highest level, otherwise they aren't really improving.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 02:08 PM) Depending on the position adjustments of course. And the Sox likely got by far his worst in April out of the gate. Yeah, no doubt he'll likely be better, if only a little, going forward. But why would they bet ~$9m on him being substantially better than one of their AAA scrubs, or any other trade target this side of Izturis, for that matter?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 09:51 AM) The Yankees have gotten -1 WAR out of 3rd base and -1.5 WAR out of their shortstop spot. Which means they've been better off without Keppinger.

From Jim Callis on a recent edition of Ask BA: http://ht.ly/nEhSu

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 11:28 AM) OOH OOOOOOOOOH I WANNA PLAY TOO Lol, I'm sorry I missed that one

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) Because of the winless road trip? Imagine the raucous booing of both teams. No one will have shown up for any positive reason.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 11:09 AM) Frankly, if the Dodgers picked up about half of the guaranteed amount - guaranteed $71 million from '14-'17 - I'd have no problem with Andre Ethier as a platoon player. Sign one more lefty killer for the bench and then Keppinger and said dude to can play every time there's a lefty and then the hot (or "least cold") bat out of Dunn, Ethier, and Gillaspie plays that day. I doubt they do that, and really, he's not worth it otherwise. Let him remain the Dodgers' problem. Yeah, if both (a) Konerko retires and (b) Rios is traded for something other than salary relief, this could be an option to fill space and maybe keep the meatballs happy. Problem is that if we want the Dodgers to pick up half the salary, they are going to expect a prospect of some value back, and that would make no sense -- we'd just be giving back some of the value we gained moving Rios.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 09:28 AM) I hope he does not get that opportunity, I hope he goes to AAA to start the year, as he should, and earns an opportunity to take over a position by midseason. Yes, unless Alexei is traded in the offseason, let's use the opportunity to take it slow with the added bonus of manipulating his service clock

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 10:53 AM) Move De Aza to LF. Garcia in right. Sign a defensive CF. Dump Rios. Wait for prospects, or sign a FA when we're close to being ready. Ethier? Good gracious he's owed nearly $90 million and he's worse than Rios. Fixed that for you, since that's trendy in this thread

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 10:04 AM) That quote refers to "Staying healthy through the entire season" which is very different from throwing 4 consecutive complete games. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 10:15 AM) I think he was referring to the fact that 4 starters never missed a start. And two guys took all 32 starts from the 5th starter's spot. It's not often a team goes through a season with only 6 guys making a start. Ok, sorry. Same point though.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 5, 2013 -> 09:41 AM) He is calling 2005 luck with that comment. He takes any chance to belittle the Sox. He was just pointing out that it was insane that all four starters threw all of those complete games. It's the only time it has ever happened in history -- so he acknowledged the exception to his rule.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 4, 2013 -> 11:06 AM) Nothing against you but have you done enough research on variances in players O- Contacts rates to establish anything about it ? Maybe studied a group of high profile players from rookie year to now and see if there is any correlation ? Sometimes you make it seem like its the end all be all of how good a player is or will become like you did with Garcia. Doesn't hitting for a high average mean anything at all ? I'd be pretty damn happy with every Sox prospect putting up a .380 batting average with lousy O-Contact rates wouldn't you ? If I was making any sweeping generalizations, I think you are right to ask for some more evidence from me. But I'm not -- I'm simply talking about how Viciedo has taken a step backward offensively this year. That's an easy argument to make since all of his production-related numbers are worse, but since he is young and NOT a finished product, I'm trying to demonstrate a willingness to look beyond his numbers to see how his approach has differed. You and I both know that he swings at too many bad pitches, and if you look at Pitch F/X data, you see that he is swinging at more bad pitches than last year. I'm not aware of any research that tries to determine if successful players get better by learning to swing at more bad pitches, but that's probably because no one has felt that such research needs to be done. As for Garcia, I'm quoting that number in comparison to all of the Major Leaguers currently. You can look at the leaderboards and see that his pitch selection numbers rank in the top 10 worst of all Major Leaguers, and that really only Carlos Gomez is having a decent year among all of those in the same neighborhood -- leading me to believe that his approach may murder AAA, but there's little to no precedent for it doing the same in MLB. Garcia belongs in the Majors, he's been there before and has nothing left to prove in AAA, so I'm evaluating him like a Major Leaguer. You don't hear me spending much time talking about Courtney Hawkins' rates, for example, because he's 19 and has so much more to figure out before I can evaluate him like a Major Leaguer. Does that make sense? I know I'm clear as mud sometimes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 4, 2013 -> 05:50 PM) I genuinely can't believe the Yankees haven't grabbed him yet. As of today, he is tied with Maicer Izturis for the lowest WAR in the entire Major Leagues, with -1.8. I cannot imagine any reason that any team would want to acquire that, much less at more than league minimum. What do the Yankees need a -1.8 WAR utility infielder for?

FWIW -- Keith Law has been one of Rienzo's biggest supporters. He called RIenzo our #3 prospect at one point, I believe.

I don't mind your logic, but Ethier is really bad at this point. We'd be better of splurging in free agency.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2013 -> 01:47 PM) Just keep him. He makes the team more watchable and he isn't blocking anyone. He'll probably have a lot of value at next year's deadline when his contract isn't a problem. This ^ If the team was desperate to shed payroll, it would be different, but since they aren't -- he isn't going to bring a lot back so you might as well keep sending him out there.

Keppinger because who would trade for him?

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 3, 2013 -> 08:45 PM) What this organization needs is more talent. Why not root for Hahn to have the best chance possible of acquiring the most talented players available?

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 03:11 PM) O-Contact is way up as is overall contact. "Much" less power is debatable. If he hits a homer today, his ISO is going to be pretty much identical. And this is without factoring in recent trends, in which we know he's been much better. O-Contact being up would be fine if his overall production was increasing, but since he's hitting worse than last year, I can't consider that fact that he's whiffing 3% less on bad pitches to be good while he's also swinging at bad pitches 2% more often.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:10 PM) Viciedo has made major strides. I really can't call that a dissapointment. He was raw and the development he's made has been great and is positioning him to turn into a good offensive player. Now, if next year, he's still putting up numbers like this year, then its time to end the experiment. I disagree. Career high at swinging at pitches out of the zone, identical walk rate, much less power.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:06 PM) You don't have to have a high BB rate or low K rate to have good enough pitch recognition. If a guy is hitting exceptionally well, all signs point to his pitch recognition being very good and his strategy simply being very aggressive In AAA, where he faces fringe talent with fringe stuff and fringe control. It goes beyond k/BB rates -- his career O-Swing in the majors is 41%. That's insanely high. When guys can locate sliders and advance scouts are telling them exactly where Avisail can't hit them, he will need to learn to lay off of them. Just ask Dayan Viciedo.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 1, 2013 -> 07:37 AM) I still don't see why you guys have Hawkins rated so high. Not even close to top 10 IMO. Fast forward to one year from now.....If he has similar numbers then, will you still rank him in Top Ten? Not me. lol wat