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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:12 PM) Really? Because he's a member of the White Sox? How about this from February November? http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/...sider-keith-law but no he's White Sox and Law says death to everything White Sox EDIT: I would like to add this in, which I found interesting. From Tigers Prospect Report: http://tigersprospectreport.wordpress.com/...avisail-garcia/ So Keith Law hates the White Sox AND Tigers? That doesn't seem right, does it? Now, I would suggest looking up any team and Keith Law, and you will find that Keith Law does not "like" many teams. Thank you. Keith Law definitely seems like a pompous jerk, but he's equally jerky to everyone, and he sure as hell knows what he's talking about.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) A 4-5 of Dunn and Hart could generate more power than most 4-5's in baseball. If one of Garcia or Viciedo takes off were in business. The idea wasn't to knock people out of the park, the idea is to give us a competitive line up with young players playing for their future AND real MLB hitters. Our pitching is good enough to be top 5 in the AL, if our offense is competitive we can surprise teams. I would rather try 3-4 guys who may be a part of the future and be competitive then play a bunch of minor leaguers and waste our pitching. We all want to win, man. We don't like punting next year any more than you do. But dude, this is a team with a .388 winning percentage. Horrible defense AND horrible offense. And the pitching is good, not elite. Corey Hart and Michael Young don't make this team a winner.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:55 PM) We are two bats and a couple of relievers away. CF De Aza 2B Beckham 3B Michael Young DH Dunn/Viciedo 1B Corey Hart RF Garcia LF Viciedo SS Ramirez C Phegley Gillaspie gets some starts at 3B against RHP with Young going to 1B and Hart going to RF giving Garcia/Viciedo days off against RHP. Sign two guys on short deals and have four younger guys (Beckham, Viciedo, Garcia, Phegley) who you can learn if they are part of the future. De Aza, Dunn and Alexei you basically know what you're getting. Replacing Rios with Hart and Young will help the attitude of this team. 1. Sale 2. Quintana 3. Danks 4. Santiago 5. Johnson/Rienzo/Axelrod QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) A 4-5 of Dunn and Hart could generate more power than most 4-5's in baseball. If one of Garcia or Viciedo takes off were in business. The idea wasn't to knock people out of the park, the idea is to give us a competitive line up with young players playing for their future AND real MLB hitters. Our pitching is good enough to be top 5 in the AL, if our offense is competitive we can surprise teams. I would rather try 3-4 guys who may be a part of the future and be competitive then play a bunch of minor leaguers and waste our pitching.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) From Keith Law.. "What you think of the White Sox' return for Peavy depends largely on what you think of Garcia. I've long held that he's an extra outfielder, or below-average regular, a player with some tools but very little baseball skill or instincts, especially at the plate where he appears to have no plan at all." Surprise suprise! He hates a player the White Sox love! In other news, the sun rose in the East this morning Nothing's wrong with Keith Law -- Garcia is a bag of tools that doesn't know how to hit yet at the Major League level.. This is a perfectly rational opinion. So far in the MLB, he's swung at 41% of all pitches he's seen OUTSIDE OF THE STRIKE ZONE.

Here's a serious question: If I can talk Dan Szymborski into doing an MS Paint drawing for our banner, would you guys use it?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:29 PM) How about Greg Nawton? Yes! Nawwwton!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:06 PM) Yeah, Joe Crede belongs nowhere near that group I do like the idea of a legends banner, but preferably with slap hitting Latino bench players. Timo, Pablo, and Paco are the first 3 on the list. Paco Martin! Honestly, I'd like to See Craig Grebeck, Lyle Mouton, and Ron Karkovice.

Cistulli remains obsessed with Semien, there's some cool video of him here: http://www.fangraphs.com/not/otgraphs-vide...-if-chicago-nl/

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 07:38 AM) Well if you read the rest of the article, he actually feels great about the trade from the BOS perspective QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 07:45 AM) He's not saying that it's a bad trade for Boston. He is implying that two years ago, Boston would rather stand pat on win the wild card than spend $20 mil on Peavy and give up a few prospects. But the randomness of the new wild-card game forced them to be aggressive and go for the division. Yeah, I get that. I'm just saying that it seems like consensus is that this is a no-brainer trade. It really wasn't all that "aggressive" to give up your pre-season #12 prospect and some ranom org guys for the best pitcher on the market with 2 years of control. I can't believe they wouldn't make that deal even with only one wildcard.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 07:23 AM) Two years ago, the Boston Red Sox do not make this trade. They do not give up Jose Iglesias and his metallurgical glove, they do not cede an A-ball pitcher named Frank Montas whose fastball pops triple digits on radar guns, they do not bother saying yes to two more prospects named Cleuluis Rondon and J.B. Wendelken. This trade happened because of the second wild card. With money and prospect capital to spend, the Red Sox looped in the Tigers, who needed a shortstop to replace the soon-to-be-suspended Jhonny Peralta, and got them to send outfielder Avisail Garcia to the White Sox as Chicago’s centerpiece of the trade. It strengthened Detroit, and Boston was OK with that, because October is a crapshoot. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/red-sox-motiv...-063933783.html So interesting how differently this guy sees this. Looks like highway robbery by the Red Sox to most, it seems.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 12:58 AM) You didn't say I couldn't name one but give me your example of what you mean is terrible plate disciplne for a 21 year old who hit .380 . It's his 22-25% strikeout rates and 3-5% walk rates every year. and the fact that his O-Swing im the majors is 41%, FORTY ONE PERCENT: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF That kind of stuff often works out in the minors against bad pitchers that can't locate consistently, but you can count on one hand the amount of above average Major Leaguers that have that level of hackitude. Once the league figures out where the holes in the swing are, they start feeding you nothing but what you can't hit, and if you refuse to stop swinging at it, you tend to suck. Obviously he might learn to be better, but it doesn't happen often, and I've NEVER seen it happen in the White Sox system. I'll be very excited if he's the first, but I'm disappointed that Hahn -- especially if he was going to settle for just one notable prospect -- couldn't leverage Peavy into a guy that's more polished than this for his age.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 12:18 AM) So you hate Yasiel Puig ? Yeah, cherry pick the 1 in 1000 that works out. Vladimir Guerrero was good too. Name some more for me.

I'm just tired of watching guys with horrible hitting approaches and hoping that they learn.

Why does everyone think DET got hosed? They just improved their infield defense -- their biggest weakness by far -- by about 200%. They're the team in the Majors that needs offensive production from their SS the LEAST.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:31 PM) The guy is 22, has the tools to be an above average defensive RF (who knows, possibly better), and 20-20 potential. Even if he never develops great plate discipline or sees his average in that .300 range in the majors, he should still make for a solid RF for several years (a lot better than dealing with Rios out there). Plus, if there is no cash involved, I'm actually getting excited at what might happen tomorrow at the deadline. People here were expecting the moon for Peavy, and in all actuality, this is looking like a really solid deal for the White Sox. I hope he develops just as much as you do, I'm just seeing no evidence of the Sox being able to turns these types of players into anything close to productive major leaguers.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:29 PM) Doesn't Hawk love Garcia? Yes be cause he looks like Miguel Cabrera and they seem to be friends.

Also keep in mind that Detroit has the best hitting lineup in the AL and the worst infield defense in recent history. Iglesias is an EXCELLENT fit for that team with Fielder/Cabrera around for the long haul.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:20 PM) Overreaction much? Garcia is definitely the opposite of every other OF we have drafted over the past several years. He shows a really good feel for hitting, however he likes to hit to much and needs to work on being more patient. He's no Mitchell/Hawkins type who has all the raw talent in the world, but a lack of a feel for hitting and major flaws in their swings that cause a K rate up over 30% All his K rates are 20-25% and all his walk rates are 3-4%. The biggest reason he's not like Hawkins is because he hasn't shown any power.

Garcia is another physical specimen who doesn't know how to f***ing hit. Why can't we, just once, get someone that understands the strike zone?

Jason Parks ‏@ProfessorParks 1m If traded, I would be the top prospect in the White Sox system. #Scouting. Expand

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:07 PM) Bernie Pleskoff ‏@BerniePleskoff 52s It appears that's the entire deal: Peavy to #RedSox, Garcia to #WhiteSox and #Iglesias to #Tigers. Imagine Peavy in #RedSox rotation. Solid. No f***ing way

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:06 PM) Best news about acquiring Asvail Garcia (not a huge fan of his, but fits the mold of the type of hitter this team needs) is that Rios will most likely be traded tomorrow. How is he the type of hitter this team needs? He's another less 5% walk rate outfielder. He's like an average defensive Dayan Viciedo but without the major league success.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:04 PM) I haven't followed Middlebrooks, but wasn't he sent back to the minors for not performing this season? Middlebrooks hits very much like Tyler Flowers

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:02 PM) Don't you Rienzo me Lol, we need to make "to Rienzo" a real meme around here

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:01 PM) Middlebrooks was NOT pulled. Oh f***ing hell yes. I was close to weeping