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QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) Olt, CJ Edwards and a 3rd player going to the rangers per Rosenthal. Someone please link to twitter that can. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/359419381257736197

Deal is done, Rosenthal says they get Olt AND Edwards.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 04:05 PM) Edwards would most likely by our number 1 overall prospect. His numbers are gaudy. If EJ were to be ranked higher it would be because of him being on the cusp of the MLB. Realistically, if we trade Peavy and the centerpiece ISN'T our new number one prospect, we've probably made a bad deal.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 03:59 PM) Even With Texas off, the only guy who made sense was SS Sardinas. The sox could easily hold onto Alexei and deal Peavy for an OFer or 3b. And fill out other spots with Crain, Rios, et all. Well, I don't know about that. It's likely, for example, that Olt is in this Garza deal, and Odor would have being really useful as well. But yeah, with Garza gone, Peavy is literally the only front-end pitcher available. Should be a good position to be in now.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 03:49 PM) Haha, I applaud you for this response. Lol, I don't know why I felt like I remembered him being a low-ceilinged guy that was surprising people by being rosterable last year, I must have had him mixed up with someone else. I just took a look at his numbers in the minors and was obviously mistaken.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) It might be the .350 batting average over 1300 MiLB ABs....or it could be the .450 OBP. Maybe, rather, it is the .950 OPS. The 46 doubles in AAA might be it....or maybe the love comes from the 38 SB. Why the love for Adam Eaton? No chance of any of those skills translating to the MLB from AAA ball. No way.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 03:15 PM) I jsut think that should be closer to what the Sox should seek and ultimately accept than what the packages are for Garza. You get Peavy another season and a draft pick. Garza has missed a lot of time himself recently. They wanted to trade him last season but couldn't. Yeah -- it's just so tough to compare markets at different times. The value of Garza/Peavy has so much to do with timing and availability. There's a whole different set of teams with a whole different set of season outlooks now versus in the offseason.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 02:17 PM) And people are more worried about his health than most for whatever reason. It's his mechanics. He puts lot of strain on his elbow with his whip-like, inverted W delivery, and his spine is off center, making it difficult to maintain balance as he strides. It's actually kind of amazing that he has such good control.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 02:54 PM) Shouldn't Peavy's value be closer to James Shields' rather than Matt Garza's? Maybe. The Shields deal was a universally accepted overpay though, and Peavy has 3 years and at least 3 DL stints on Big Game James as well.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) I'd imagine so. I'm also a fan of his. I heard Jason Parks comment on seeing him recently -- mentioned that his defense behind the plate looked much improved. Still a small target, but he no longer questioned his ability to catch at the ML level eventually.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 02:43 PM) I just want prospects from the Pirates, Dbacks, or Cards Eaton, Davidson, and Owings for Peavy and Crain makes too much sense. I don't understand all the love for Eaton. What's his upside? We already have Tekotte if we need good defense with no bat. Owings, though. Yeah.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 02:22 PM) Nick Cafardo ‏@nickcafardo 5m We hear Red Sox prefer peavy over garza but remain active in talks on both. Much will hinge on buchholz second opinion with dr Andrews Expand Love Swihart. Wonder if he's available in a Peavy deal.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 02:08 PM) Along with the Rockies who have been reported to be on him too. For Peavy I would focus on Rangers, DBacks, Cardinals and Red Sox. Rox have some better positional pieces than SF. Both Dahl and Story are having down years and might be attainable. We could honestly really use a guy like Kyle Parker, too.

Indeed, this is where Hahn can earn some respect around these parts. He's got a couple good cards, let's see how he plays them.

I mean, technically, we could win out.

The way that whole post was laid out was legitimately funny. It reminded me of the first couple times South Park did the Loch Ness Monster/Tree-Fiddy bit. Each time, there has to be more build up -- a bunch of content that seems plausible implying a return to contention with a few simple acquisitions and then - WHAM - awwww it was that gol-durned GRADY SIZEMORE again askin to be a legitimate middle of the order threat! I'm like GET OUTTA HEAH YOU DANG GRADY SIZEMORE WE AINT GIVIN YOU NO $3.5M TO BE ON THE DL

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) The Sox aren't often in a position where they are looking to trade one of the most in demand pitcher in a given market. The offers for him should be good enough to trade him. Strike while the iron is hot. Yeah, the market is very good right now for Peavy. I think we could get a top 50, considering at least three teams will be bidding after Garza moves.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 07:20 AM) This complete rebuild strategy is interesting, however the organization does not have enough near ready talent in its farm system to completely rebuild a contender, any time soon. What it does have is a lot of pretty good pitching depth. This season is a lost cause, but why couldn't they add a couple of pieces, and put together a pretty solid contender for next year? A starting staff of Sale, Peavey, Santiago, Quintana and Danks does represent an unusually left handed weighted rotation, but it would be pretty solid. Erik Johnson and Axelrod could provide some depth. The reliever core has been very good, and they could piece together another effective bullpen for next season. Therefore, why not use the money coming off the books for Konerko, and Thornton to acquire a solid left handed bat, and try to add another good right handed hitter? The offensive problem with this team is that they have not had a good middle of the order. Two decent hitters, one right and the other left handed, to replace Konerko and Dunn, in the middle of the order, could vastly improve the offense. Dunn probably can't be traded, and with only one year left, after this season, it shouldn't be a big issue, as long as he doesn't have to hit in the middle of the order. He could actually be sufficiently productive, batting lower in the order. Hey, I'd take 40 homers and 100 RBI's from the 6TH or 7TH hitter in the order, wouldn't you, even if he can't hit over .200 and has an OBP under .350 ? Move de Aza to left field, and bat him lower in the order. His OBP is not high enough for a lead off hitter. Another possibility would be to trade him. Trade Ramirez for a legitimate leadoff hitter, who is a good defensive SS, and hopefully cheaper than the $9.5 Million he will cost next year. They may have to include another player in the trade, but even a veteran would be fine, until Anderson is ready, some time around 2015. Dump Keppinger and his contract, and go with Gillaspie and Morel at 3RD, perhaps platooned. Keep Beckham, and hope that Micah Johnson will be ready when Gordon starts making the big money. Rios is fine until some of the young outfielders are ready. Maybe Hawkins, Jacobs or Thompson can replace him, but not for a couple more years. Gillaspie is a good fit at 3RD, at least against RHP. He's young enough to still be around for the rebuild after next season. Let Phegley and Flowers fight it out for the catching slot. Viciedo is big question. If he's not ready to be a big offensive contributor, they have got to replace him with someone who is. Find a productive hitting Centerfielder (did I hear someone whisper Grady Sizemore? Shhh, it wasn't me) Sign another middle of the order hitter, probably to replace Paulie at 1B. Kendry Morales comes to mind and is a switch hitter. His home run production would likely rise at the Cell. One possible Lineup: SS New defensive and decent OBP acquisition 2B Beckham RF Rios CF True middle of the order, left handed hitter (Grady Sizemore) 1B Another prototypical middle of the order hitter. Kendry Morales would work, and is a switch hitter. DH Dunn/Viciedo platoon C Phegley 3B Gillaspie/Morel platoon LF De Aza or Viciedo If there are better choices than Sizemore and Morales, fine. The concept is to keep the contender ready pitching, and acquire the middle of the order offense, required to compete. If you sign two middle of the order hitters and trade for the lead off hitter/SS, it looks realistically feasible to me. Hahaha I thought the Grady Sizemore thing was finally over.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 01:42 AM) I said all along a Peavy and Rios to Tx deal was what I was looking for but i wanted a boatload back . Profar and Martin but thats never going to happen but its very workable. Cards are workable but Adams is what I want. Lynn's been terrible lately . Bostons scraping the bottom of the barrel now and trying to pretend their pitching spects can perform well enough but I don't buy it. I think they'd part with Middlebrooks and/or Ingelsias who's performed well for them but MiL track record is no hit all field and they have a better SS prospect than him any way. I have two problems with this paragraph: 1. There's nothing even close to "workable" about Profar+Martin. That's so far off the charts that it doesn't even warrant discussion -- we could make a very successful trade with Texas that doesn't include those guys, which is good because we are not getting them. Sardinas would be a coup, for example. 2. I really, really don't want anything to do with Middlebrooks. The dude is a total hack who had a flukey half year who was just BOUND to implode, and did. There's no sign at all that his approach to hitting will give him sustained major league success. He strikes out 28% of the time and walks 4%. For a point of reference, Dayan Viciedo strikes out 21% of the time and walks 6%. Jose Iglesias has hit very well in limited action, but I'm still wary on him because he's really never hit well anywhere before in the minors. Maybe he's legit, but I'd have to see more success before I was comfortable with him as a centerpiece.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/andrew-bagg...plans-again-etc

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 04:00 PM) If the White Sox don't get "too much" back for Addison Reed, who is young, effective, and years away from being expensive, then there's zero reason to trade him. If Reed is traded, people should say "man, why did that team give up that prospect for a closer". If that's not the reaction, then Reed should not be traded. Oh, definitely. I'm just saying that's why this isn't a good fit.

The problem with this is that Castellanos is too much for Reed, but the Tigers don't have anything else that's worth him.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 06:51 AM) Crain wouldn't be remotely close to enough. Cecchini is a top 10 prospect in all of baseball. What? According to who?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 04:17 PM) I'll stop now. I can't get my point across. My final statement in regard to your post: I am saying NO PLAYER should get that kind of money. That owners should ASSUME the injury issues will happen or something will happen. I was trying to make the point that teams CONSTANTLY are trying to dump players almost immediately after signing them to huge contracts. My solution: DON'T SIGN THEM TO BIG CONTRACTS TO BEGIN WITH. Since I can't get my point across, I'll stop. The alternative is not having Matt Kemp BUT greg, there is evidence that teams are trying to avoid this by signing their young stars to long-term deals when they are still cheap. But there is a cost to this, too -- even more risk of ineffectiveness.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 03:40 PM) Just what Dick Allen is saying. It doesn't make much sense to move these two guys if the Sox have to pay that kind of money to get rid of them. Like that analysis said, they have no value. Lol greg