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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:56 PM) OK, yeah, I didn't say that QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:56 PM) And Joe Crede and Ventura both had incredibly quick first step reactions....absolutely doesn't mean either one of them had the range or overall athletic ability to play 2B. The same was/is true for Mark Teahen or Gillaspie or Morel. Now, if it's Brett Lawrie, or Brandon Inge, that's a different type of player. Also, Eminor3rd is the best. Yeah you did, look

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) I think we have different meanings for All-Star. Does one of you have a definition other than "makes the All-Star team at some point?"

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) One pitcher and some good defense can shut down the opposition. One hot hitter in your line up, and you still probably lose. The Sox have one or two guys hot at a time often this season. Defense (which pitching is a part ) has always trumped offense in sports. I do think that has changed in the NFL. I still disagree with the premise. Our record this year is a testament to what happens when you have good pitching and no offense. Yes, the bad defense is an additional factor, but the majority of our games have still been very low scoring games -- you hear them quote all the time the high percentage of games decided by less than 3 runs. As for a hot hitter versus a hot pitcher: a 3.50 ERA is good, a 4.50 ERA is mediocre. That's a difference of 1 run per nine innings, and it includes the contributions of the defense (in terms of range, not errors). A single hot hitter can always hit at least solo homerun, which is a difference of one run over nine innings. One hot pitcher and some good defense CAN shut down the opposition -- once in five games. Unless you're Chris Sale, and you have a below .500 record despite a sub-3 ERA. Outscoring your opponent has equal parts to do with adding and preventing runs, the ratio is 1:1.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:32 PM) I still don't think there's enough innings to go around once Peavy comes back. And yes, that includes Axelrod getting some, but even without that, Johnson would be nice to give a couple starts to once September rolls around as well. 5th spot will just be a revolving door in September. Axelrod can go to Charlotte, as far as I'm concerned.

If he comes back effectively, I actually think there is still plenty of time to trade him for a real return. If his rib is still bothering him, it will show in his velocity and stuff immediately. I would guess that even if Peavy's first start looks normal, it'll be enough for a lot of teams to pull the trigger in this shallow market.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:28 PM) This is all assuming Beckham has the range to play SS. I personally do not believe he does and that this will all be a moot point. I agree

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) IF IF IF he proves himself healthy in his 3-4 JULY starts. Right now there's no Peavy market until Sunday's game is over without any setbacks. If he starts the 14th, that would put him on schedule to start the 19th, 24th and 29th, roughly speaking (haven't looked at the major or minor league schedules for those dates). Yes, this is true.

I'd be shocked if AZ isn't one of the teams pushing Hahn to get Sale. If they are so stubborn on youth/team control in who they acquire that they are more interested in Gallardo than Peavy, I bet they'd give up the moon for Sale.

I think Peavy actually has more value than Rios because he has WAY more suitors. If the Phillies don't make Lee available, Peavy is the best SP on the market like Rios is the best bat. The difference is that only about 3 teams are obviously in the market for Rios, while 10+ are looking for pitching.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) I'm not quite sure that's the belief of every scout. I think there's a whole lot of people who think you build from pitching first. To me, both philosophies are wrong. You want to develop the things that you are good at developing, and trade that for the other things you need. #Barves and Rays build pitching, trade it for hitting. We're probably the same way. But all this Hawk crap about hitting or pitching or defense being "most important is BS -- a run created is a run saved and vice versa.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 02:51 PM) If you're the White Sox you want something equal (and likely better than) Chris Sale's production over the course of the next 6 years. Because, you know, that's what you're giving up. I dont think, other than the other "untradeables" out there, there's a single guy worth it and no combination of risky minor leaguers either. I want a guy younger than 25, producing at an All Star level in the majors who is under control for at least the next couple seasons plus a handful of top 100 prospects. That's what it should take to get a guy who's on the verge of Cy Young seasons and will be under team control at less than half of his market value through the rest of this decade. There's no point in trading him for equal value, though -- you might as well just keep him. IF you want to trade him, it's for future value, and it's got to be enough that you get the potential for more value to mitigate the cost of the risk. The only way it makes sense to move Sale (and I'm not saying we should) would be for multiple big-time, high upside prospects.

You guys are insane. I love Sale, but I'll take Harper every day. All else equal, hitters last longer. I'll take Machado over Sale too.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) Peavy & Crain for Eaton, Anderson, Lamb, and Owings? Too much? I'd say that's on the high end of reasonable.

Don't forget that Peavy (if healthy) is by far our most valuable 2013 trade chip given the market desperation for SP (I'm obviously not including Sale). I don't think Delgado, at least as a centerpiece, is the type of guy this team should get for cashing in the biggest chip. Nothing against Delgado, but we have left-handed versions of him in spades and have just nothing on the positional side.

I think Hawkins is still number 2. That's too aggressive on Anderson for my tastes. Nice list though.

I wouldn't mind Morneau on a one year deal as a shot in the dark, assuming the team views 2014 as a transition year like I do. No interest at all in Colvin. Would love Bourjos

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 08:09 AM) Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN Diamondbacks are among the teams talking about Jake Peavy, and CWS have had scouts on hand at Arizona games; they've seen Randall Delgado. Meh, Randall Delgado is among the last things this team needs.

QUOTE (TheBigHurtIsBack @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 04:28 PM) Come on. Are you trying to suggest managers aren't ultimately responsible for anything? My Lord, I was the first guy to start ranting here about how awful Guillen was around 2007-ish and EVERYONE was trying to make ME sound like the idiot and that Ozzie was just find (and many people, as people usually do, deflected and said "Well name someone better we could get!" rather than admit that he was horrible). What happened soon after? That's right, maybe 2 or 3 people (which include greg of all people) are the only ones who still think he was even remotely good. Ventura is awful and actually makes me miss Ozzie in certain regards overall. And for someone (although it wasn't you) to suggest a manager has no responsibility to monitor and act accordingly to high pitch counts is absurd. I don't know about being defiant, but who knows that the FO is saying to RV, if anything. Lol, what? No, I'm not trying to suggest that. I'm just saying that RV works for the FO. So if the FO has a problem with what he's doing, they can tell him to stop. So, most likely, they don't have a problem with it. Less likely, they do have a problem with it, have told RV to stop, and he has refused. Because most of the time, people do what their bosses tell them to do. When they don't there tends to be very obvious friction and controversy and someone gets fired/traded -- like Ozzie.

Still not enough plate appearances. Don't get excited yet.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) LOL. Not sure why you're trying to put words in my mouth or change around the argument or what I said. What's the purpose of managers then if they do not have the ability or power to make their own decisions in the game. You're line of reasoning is off. But coming from a guy who thinks Marcus Semien and Micah Johnson are "Mike Trout and Mike Trout-Lite", I guess that follows a pattern. If the FO thinks RV is overusing Sale, they will tell RV to stop overusing Sale. RV works for the FO. His actions are the responsibility of his managers. If RV continues to overuse Sale, it isn't a stretch at all to assume that the FO has not given the directive to rein it in. Overwise, the only explanation is that RV is openly defying them, which is the type of behavior that usually leads to people being fired.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 02:52 PM) I'm glad we have someone who posts here who is privy with how all of the Sox FO meetings go. Sweet. Well, if Robin is acting against the FO's wishes and they allow him to continue, they should all be fired.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 01:56 PM) My God! Good news fans, the Indians are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact they appear to be beating the crap out of each other. It looks like Willie Hayes is trying to hit Rick Vaughn, and why not, everyone else in the league does. Hayes swings and misses. I don't know Monte, it looks like Vaughn is carrying his left a little low. This could hurt him in the later rounds.

I'm risking sounding like Hawk, but that takes nuts to sit dead red in that situation and not be afraid of failure. He's up there to produce.

Holy s***, the legend continues!

No way Alexei brings back Castellanos. I'd be thrilled with Wong, personally. Kozma is a cheap stopgap.