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I think Peavy actually has more value than Rios because he has WAY more suitors. If the Phillies don't make Lee available, Peavy is the best SP on the market like Rios is the best bat. The difference is that only about 3 teams are obviously in the market for Rios, while 10+ are looking for pitching.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) I'm not quite sure that's the belief of every scout. I think there's a whole lot of people who think you build from pitching first. To me, both philosophies are wrong. You want to develop the things that you are good at developing, and trade that for the other things you need. #Barves and Rays build pitching, trade it for hitting. We're probably the same way. But all this Hawk crap about hitting or pitching or defense being "most important is BS -- a run created is a run saved and vice versa.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 02:51 PM) If you're the White Sox you want something equal (and likely better than) Chris Sale's production over the course of the next 6 years. Because, you know, that's what you're giving up. I dont think, other than the other "untradeables" out there, there's a single guy worth it and no combination of risky minor leaguers either. I want a guy younger than 25, producing at an All Star level in the majors who is under control for at least the next couple seasons plus a handful of top 100 prospects. That's what it should take to get a guy who's on the verge of Cy Young seasons and will be under team control at less than half of his market value through the rest of this decade. There's no point in trading him for equal value, though -- you might as well just keep him. IF you want to trade him, it's for future value, and it's got to be enough that you get the potential for more value to mitigate the cost of the risk. The only way it makes sense to move Sale (and I'm not saying we should) would be for multiple big-time, high upside prospects.

You guys are insane. I love Sale, but I'll take Harper every day. All else equal, hitters last longer. I'll take Machado over Sale too.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) Peavy & Crain for Eaton, Anderson, Lamb, and Owings? Too much? I'd say that's on the high end of reasonable.

Don't forget that Peavy (if healthy) is by far our most valuable 2013 trade chip given the market desperation for SP (I'm obviously not including Sale). I don't think Delgado, at least as a centerpiece, is the type of guy this team should get for cashing in the biggest chip. Nothing against Delgado, but we have left-handed versions of him in spades and have just nothing on the positional side.

I think Hawkins is still number 2. That's too aggressive on Anderson for my tastes. Nice list though.

I wouldn't mind Morneau on a one year deal as a shot in the dark, assuming the team views 2014 as a transition year like I do. No interest at all in Colvin. Would love Bourjos

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 08:09 AM) Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN Diamondbacks are among the teams talking about Jake Peavy, and CWS have had scouts on hand at Arizona games; they've seen Randall Delgado. Meh, Randall Delgado is among the last things this team needs.

QUOTE (TheBigHurtIsBack @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 04:28 PM) Come on. Are you trying to suggest managers aren't ultimately responsible for anything? My Lord, I was the first guy to start ranting here about how awful Guillen was around 2007-ish and EVERYONE was trying to make ME sound like the idiot and that Ozzie was just find (and many people, as people usually do, deflected and said "Well name someone better we could get!" rather than admit that he was horrible). What happened soon after? That's right, maybe 2 or 3 people (which include greg of all people) are the only ones who still think he was even remotely good. Ventura is awful and actually makes me miss Ozzie in certain regards overall. And for someone (although it wasn't you) to suggest a manager has no responsibility to monitor and act accordingly to high pitch counts is absurd. I don't know about being defiant, but who knows that the FO is saying to RV, if anything. Lol, what? No, I'm not trying to suggest that. I'm just saying that RV works for the FO. So if the FO has a problem with what he's doing, they can tell him to stop. So, most likely, they don't have a problem with it. Less likely, they do have a problem with it, have told RV to stop, and he has refused. Because most of the time, people do what their bosses tell them to do. When they don't there tends to be very obvious friction and controversy and someone gets fired/traded -- like Ozzie.

Still not enough plate appearances. Don't get excited yet.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) LOL. Not sure why you're trying to put words in my mouth or change around the argument or what I said. What's the purpose of managers then if they do not have the ability or power to make their own decisions in the game. You're line of reasoning is off. But coming from a guy who thinks Marcus Semien and Micah Johnson are "Mike Trout and Mike Trout-Lite", I guess that follows a pattern. If the FO thinks RV is overusing Sale, they will tell RV to stop overusing Sale. RV works for the FO. His actions are the responsibility of his managers. If RV continues to overuse Sale, it isn't a stretch at all to assume that the FO has not given the directive to rein it in. Overwise, the only explanation is that RV is openly defying them, which is the type of behavior that usually leads to people being fired.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 02:52 PM) I'm glad we have someone who posts here who is privy with how all of the Sox FO meetings go. Sweet. Well, if Robin is acting against the FO's wishes and they allow him to continue, they should all be fired.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 01:56 PM) My God! Good news fans, the Indians are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact they appear to be beating the crap out of each other. It looks like Willie Hayes is trying to hit Rick Vaughn, and why not, everyone else in the league does. Hayes swings and misses. I don't know Monte, it looks like Vaughn is carrying his left a little low. This could hurt him in the later rounds.

I'm risking sounding like Hawk, but that takes nuts to sit dead red in that situation and not be afraid of failure. He's up there to produce.

Holy s***, the legend continues!

No way Alexei brings back Castellanos. I'd be thrilled with Wong, personally. Kozma is a cheap stopgap.

Thornton is obviously not going top bring a "high end prospect." I understand that Hahn wants to start high in his negotiations, but I hope he doesn't end up dicking around too long and losing the opportunity to sell among several bidders.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 09:17 AM) You are essentially trading two quality major leaguers for one good prospect and two fringe guys. I think there is a better deal to be had splitting the two up. Neither of them is likely to net someone of Polanco's quality alone, though. I advocate quality over quantity in this case -- especially given that Kingham would be a top ten prospect for us anyway.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) So you are essentially replacing Adam Dunn with Brian McCann. You'll almost certainly have to eat salary if you move Dunn too. Let's compare ages 21 through 29 for both, shall we? McCann - .280/.352/.477/.829 Dunn - .249/.383/.520/.903 On what planet is that a good idea? The alternate Earth where McCann didn't enter free agency wracked with injuries likely to drastically reduce his catching time for the rest of his career, I'm guessing.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) The Sox are not close to contending at this point. The Sox can go out and spend to be competitive and be a mediocre team for the foreseeable future, but with a lack of talent on the major league level and no help in sight in the upper levels of the farm system there is really no foundation to build success. As we have seen this year, pitching can only take you so far. There is no reason to not rebuild this team from the ground up to try and generate some prolonged success. I think we are looking at a 3-4 year rebuild, and delaying that only makes the period of time which this team will not be a contender longer. If you can make deals that bring back MLB caliber starters and prospects in addition, you really need to look at them. If Sale can turn into three everyday players with some upside plus a starter with a high ceiling, it makes this team a lot better than one guy going out and dominating every five days, but losing becuase the offense and defense behind him is crap. Guess who is 28 in 4 years and still under control? Chris Sale

I accidentally posted this in the Sale thread for some reason. Bowden's speculation: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-of...-id-like-to-see I think this would be a fantastic return.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 05:38 PM) Agreed. And maybe you should post it in the Rios thread. Oh, I actually thought that I did. Whoops.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 05:17 PM) Honestly, if that's all we can get for Rios AND Alexei then count me out. You know once it gets closer to the trade deadline, teams will get desperate. Only reason I say this is because if this whole Biogenesis operation is true and players to get suspended. The Rangers are a team that takes a hit and would be very desperate for a right fielder, and Rios is the best available. Wait for that and make a team overpay. I don't know, I actually think that would be a really nice return.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 05:28 PM) Rosenthal is underestimating just how good that contract of Sale's is. Like, if it weren't Evan Longoria, we're talking best in baseball good. The only real caveat is his health, and so far he's actually pitching better, with more velocity than last year. There is no player, or group of players, that we could get for Sale that would be worth his contract. I wouldn't even take Trout - He has 1.5 cheap seasons left and then he is going to get the biggest arb raise ever, if he isn't signed to a 8-figure a year extension first. I just want to acknowledge that said you wouldn't trade Sale for Mike Trout. I get your point on the contract, but no one will have a problem paying Trout big-time.