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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) The best comparison I can come up with off hand for a Rios deal is Hunter Pence for Seth Rosin, Tommy Joseph, and Nate Schierholtz last deadline. Rosin and Joseph look like mediocre prospects (though highly drafted, 4th and 2nd rounds respectively) and Schierholtz left in free agency to the Cubs (and is having a great year). All I'm going to say is that dealing Rios is risky. His contract is much better. Teams getting him will get an additional year plus an option year at slightly below market rates for a 3-4 win OF. That's substantially more valuable than a 2 month rental. Meanwhile, keeping him will just a dd a few wins to our garbage year. If we're going to be bad for a couple years, I want to be able to watch some players develop -- that's the only thing that will keep any interest for any of us.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 01:10 PM) If Ventura was actually doing any of this, I could agree with you. The team isn't. The White Sox expanded their payroll by somewhere in the range of $20-$30 million this year depending on how the bookkeeping is done. What is really happening is they tried to field another competitive team this year and it has absolutely blown up in an explosion of stupid play, poor focus, poor preparation, and a few injuries to boot. This is important, I think. This team isn't great, but it SHOULD be better. Much like they played close to their peak potential most of last year, they are playing close to their floor so far now. It's been a .500ish team in true talent for a couple years, IMO.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 01:38 PM) I have to admit I also hate watching them. I've been a Sox fan forever and I know bad baseball is better than no baseball, but I pretty much can't take our anemic offense. I guess it's because it has been the same for so long. The difference is this year we can't even hit enough home runs to win home games. I have no desire to turn on my mlb.com and watch the Sox fail to hit and lose so many close games. It all started with that Cub series. The team just sucked so badly. It's hard to watch. Same. I still start with every game but I'm finding myself slip away to do something else earlier and earlier. At first I felt guilty, like a fairweather fan or whatever, but the reality is that watching them just puts me in a bad mood. It's a frustrating end to my day, so I go find something else to unwind with.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 02:17 PM) I also hate to say this, but trading Jesse Crain right now is a great idea. He isn't going to last like this all season, and will return to the mean. Let someone else deal with that. Yes, this is the case with all hot relievers aside from the absolutely elite, I think. Towers acquired a ton of talent selling off his bullpen every year in SD for a while. RPs just don't last, they are volatile commodities. Crain will never be more valuable.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 01:47 PM) Home runs are fun, definitely, but I think Dunn is almost an exception to that rule. He's been so lousy that just seeing him stride to the plate is buzzkill. Am I in the minority on this? I just think Dunn is about the worst player in White Sox history and I hate seeing him walk to the plate. If there are any Dunn fans out there, I stand corrected. Man, how soon we forget Mark Kotsay and his 85% groundout-to-2B rate.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/forget-jona...et-jesse-crain/

Who cares?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 11:58 AM) We must win this series. We can't afford to lose another game the rest of the season #winout

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 02:24 PM) I never once said DFA the guy. He simply sucks. I just wanted to point that out because at the time of that thread there was a lot of talk about him not sucking. You also went WAY out of your way to personally insult the intelligence of anyone who had been excited about his hot start at all. You presented your argument in such a way that even if it was a good argument, people were still going to be upset about it and react in a negative way that would cause a heated flame war. That was a garbage post, man -- really bad communication. I'm guessing you were both slightly drunk and in a surly mood.

Hawk just keep muttering, "I love this game..." despondently when things are darkest.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 08:56 AM) According to the BA website the Blount and Goldberg signings have the Sox $259k ahead in the bonus pool games. Michaelczewski money?

Why does everyone think it's still 2009? Alex Rios does NOT have a burdensome contract AT ALL anymore. He's under contract for one more season at $12.5m, with a TEAM OPTION for 2015 at the same price. It's a GOOD contract at this point. The f***ing media is just so lazy and bad, it blows my mind.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 03:02 PM) Can someone change my thread title back to "Conor Gillaspie sucks"? No, we get it.

We're grasping at straws though, you know? Like Morel sucks, really. SO if he hits his ceiling he;ll be a serviceable backup on a mediocre team? I think we've already forgotten what it feels like to have a real offense. I mean just watching the Blue Jays this series -- like Bautista and Encarnacion are f***ing LEGIT bats. They are a threat to homer and double constantly. You just trust them to do it, and they do it. We've had those types of guys a lot, we just don't right now. We have Zombie Paul Konerko and Adam Dunn. We're a team right now where our "hero" in a win can be Dylan Axelrod or Connor Gillaspie solely for the reason that occasionally people do exceptional things in baseball. Success is the exception rather than the norm for nearly all of our guys. The resulting compromise between our brains and our hearts is projecting a ceiling that looks like that line you just typed for Morel.

Was worth a shot... No, no it wasn't. You're right.

Let's stop worrying about the attendance, please.

Done

When we finally awaken from the dream, we'll still be 5 games below .500

Dude has pop

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 08:41 AM) If Morel could get his act together and Beckham could keep hitting like he is right now, Gillaspie/Morel, Alexei (or other), Beckham, and Keppinger (UT) could cover the IF roster fairly affordably for the next 2 years. Puts a lot of pressure on the corners to remain above-average run producers, though.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 02:42 PM) The Dodgers like to make Playstation trades anyway, so forget Ethier because we don't want him anyway. Alexei + Crain + Keppinger + Dunn for Dee Gordon + Juan Uribe Uribe's in the last year of his deal & would replace Keppinger's bad contract, he'd be our UT guy again and clubhouse guy until someone offered to take on part of his remaining deal. Gordon gets plugged in now & we see what he has, so basically Alexei and Crain buy out Dunn's deal and all the money we owe to Keppinger. The Sox get more payroll room and can now start shopping Reed heavily in search of a starting position player. For the Dodgers, Crain is League insurance and bullpen depth, Alexei makes them a s***load better, Keppinger is their UT guy, and they just release Dunn simply because it is easier to take on a player's contract & eat the money, and I doubt MLB offices would approve LA sending us $25M or whatever it is that would be left on Dunn's deal. For the Dodgers their chances go way up & they really give up nothing. Blech

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 08:52 AM) What are we getting bumped for? I'm guessing Tyler Perry's House of Pain.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 01:47 PM) IMO, it would really behoove the White Sox to avoid grabbing pitchers in any trade this year (unless they're buried down in A-ball). Their rotation is stacked and their bullpen may need an extra veteran arm or two next year, but its in a better place than the lineup. If the Sox pick up a starter who can be a #3-#4 starter, he's just going to be stuck at Charlotte next year unless someone gets hurt, and he'd be lucky to be the 2nd option in that case with guys like Johnson and Snodgress around. I agree -- the system needs big bats, even if they are of the lumbering variety. The Konerko era is ending, and Dunn will be out the door as well.

General reactions to this thread: 1) Our team is really bad. Do not fear breaking down a bad team. The alternative is remaining bad and getting older. 2) No one wants Paul Konerko right now. Least of all f***ing Arizona. 3) Why are we talking so much about Chris Sale? It's not even a possibility because no GM will risk the assets required to get him on his jerky release. 4) Jesse Crain will not bring back a substantial prospect. Something, yes, but not something exciting.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 10:20 AM) On another subject...I'm all for a Ethier for Dunn deal. If the Dodgers ate money AND we trade Alex Rios, I'd be down. But what the hell would the Dodgers do with Dunn? He's not playing over AGon.