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QUOTE (fathom @ May 16, 2013 -> 03:27 PM) Mayo has the Sox taking an OF as well, but it seems like no one has been able to specifically state the Sox are looking at a particular player http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...lb&c_id=mlb That's the first mock I've seen with Renfroe falling to 17. I think I'd be happy with that pick.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ May 16, 2013 -> 09:08 AM) He said something bogus about Axelrod. I wasn't talking about about his performance in the slightest. witesoxfan making me look like an asshole again. Oh, sorry.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 16, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) Seriously, the more and more time passes, the more I put faith into what Law says. Yeah, the guy is pompous and condescending, but he knows what he's talking about. Him and Jason Parks I think are the best guys in the media right now for prospecting.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 16, 2013 -> 02:45 PM) It seems like a lot of analysts aren't sure what to expect from the Sox this year due to Hahn being "in charge". That and the fact that they're picking #17. It's just so dependent on what's available. One or two reaches early changes everything.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 16, 2013 -> 10:11 AM) Sickels has us taking an outfielder: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/5/16/4...-sickels-may-16 The problem with Sickels is he's just guessing from reading scouting reports. Law's is based on what his extensive set of contacts are telling him about what they've heard the teams talking about. I'm not saying Sickels is a bad talent evaluator or whatever, but Law's mcok seems way more reliable. I mean come on, this is what Sickels says about the Sox pick:

Law's Report of Chris Anderson: http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft/playe.../chris-anderson?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 16, 2013 -> 11:59 AM) was it: A. Picking his nose B. Jacking off C. Pointing out the hot sauce stain his maid missed TEXT YOUR ANSWERS IN NOW type STOP to cancel your Sox Text Updates membership

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 16, 2013 -> 01:13 PM) Which seems to be a change in his stance from past years. I saw a quotation from him after being asked why he didn't demand a NTC. His response was something like, "I told them as long as they don't trade me before the season starts, I'm pretty much fine."

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ May 16, 2013 -> 11:03 AM) I didn't realize how good Peavy has been this year. If the Sox are out of it come the trade deadline, does he get traded? And if so, what kind of return could he get? Yeah if we're out of it, his trade has a chance to be a bright spot in a dismal season. The market should be pretty fierce with two wild cards in each league and the nice short-term contract he's on.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ May 15, 2013 -> 04:54 PM) That is just wrong. You wouldn't call 4.17 ERA "serviceable" for a 5th starter?

Dunn's season wRC+ went from 49 to 71 today, lmao.

lol this board is so bipolar.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2013 -> 02:27 PM) I think the reason Hahn has this plan is that he understands the challenges in his fan base with a full rebuild. Definitely, but fortunately it's also not necessary. Like I sad before, the underperformers are all off the books in a year or two.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) We are in the middle of a reload right now. We are actively searching out young talent, in the draft, in Latin America, and buried in other teams minor league systems. We are slowly and quietly moving out players that we have replacements for. I am sure Paul Konerko is next on the list. Gavin Floyd would have been as well if he had stayed healthy. I agree, I think Hahn has this exact plan. I'm probably not even arguing with you, specifically, at all -- there's just the usual amount of negative hyperbole in this thread.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) This is a silly question. No one can guarantee anything. What can you promise? You can go off of history. The history of Sox fans is that they abandon the team wholesale at the mention of a rebuild. A "rebuild" is an extreme measure to be taken when the whole system is trash, a la, Astros/Cubs/Nats. Outside of Danks, we don't have nearly any long-term money tying our hands. But we also don't have a good team -- we flat out missed on some investments and the team blew it last year down the stretch -- and you can't put lipstick on a pig. We don't have to ever say the word, but that doesn't mean we don't need to take a year to get some younger talent into the system or promoted. You need Dunn's salary to clear and you need Danks to become useful. You need to replace Konerko and you need Viciedo to get more mature. Unfortunately, Rios and Peavy aren't on that timetable, so they need to be converted so something of value that will help us when we're ready. It doesn't need to take more than a year or two. The fans may not like it, but they aren't showing up to see this loser either. The meatballs don't care about the team's strategy, the want a winner to brag about. It's going to take winning to bring the fans back, nothing more or less. So you have to do what is going to build a winner. If you can't weather the storm (especially one that's only a couple years), you aren't a viable business. The Brewers can do it, the Rays can do it. Even the Indians are doing it. If they can handle it, Chicago can handle it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 14, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) We desperately need offense now, not in 5-6 years. Not that it's a bad idea, but it also shouldn't distract from the pressing needs of the moment, either. Why would it? Acquisition of amateur talent is completely different than the ML team. Not making stuff like this is a priority is exactly why things look so bleak right now. There's no shortcut, we must start investing now.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 14, 2013 -> 10:20 AM) So this guy hits a ton of balls a mile in BP. When the games start, he whiffs. Sounds like a White Sox prospect. He's 16 years old.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 15, 2013 -> 01:38 PM) Twins' announcers now bemoaning the fact they don't have a prototypical leadoff hitter like Rickey Henderson, lol. Well, Revere and Span weren't bad at all, but they got too expensive...and they also felt Hicks had more potential, but, this one game against the Sox notwithstanding, seems he was rushed a bit and might eventually go down to AAA. Revere was pre-arb and Span was signed WAY below market. I think they just decided to look a couple years down the road -- they need pitching prospects and expect Hicks/Buxton to man CF for years to come, and Mastroinanni was an acceptable stopgap.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 15, 2013 -> 12:41 PM) So who they play and when they play them doesn't matter? Ok, great. Keep living in a fantasy world where the Sox are better than the Tigers and they'll go 13-6 against them after July 8. The thing about baseball is that anyone can win in a given night. The best teams only win about 65% of the time each year. It's not likely that the Sox turn it around, but it's definitely possible, and it's possible no matter how tough the schedule is.

It's going to be a good trade market for Jake Peavy, too.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 15, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) The anemic offense has nothing to do with Tyler Flowers. Compared to other catchers in the league he is fine. It is the leadoff hitter and $28M combo of slow white 1B/DH that are killing this team along with the $3M platoon player trying to play everyday. Now go win one before heading out west. This is true. Let us pray for regression!

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 15, 2013 -> 11:01 AM) Agreed...but there are some here that are acting as if moving from a bad situation to a good or great situation is near impossible in a relative short period of time. They've asked us to provide examples that it can be done. Indeed, my response was aimed more at those asking for the examples.

You can't compare our situation to anyone else's situation. The teams that have sucked did so because they made bad draft choices/acquisitions and failed to develop their players. The ones that have been successful have done just the opposite. Those results don't have anything to do with what the Sox should or shouldn't do in 2013. The answer, as nearly always, lies between the two extremes. It may require punting next year, but it doesn't have to come down to SPEND MOAR or SUCK FOR DECADES. It's just making sound long-term decisions, one-by-one.

I actually think I'd be pretty happy with Judge. I'd rather see a guy that's a purer hitter at that age, game power is an easier thing to find than a hit tool, and the guy is so big that there's no question he has the strength. Yeah, he's another low floor OF, but he's a completely different type of low floor OF that we've been drafting.

I would think that if Manaea falls that far, there's probably a good reason. Damaged goods