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Yeah, I'll believe that Detroit has a powerhouse rotation when Fister continues to pitch better than ever before for a whole season, and Scherzer/Porcello actually improve toward their ceilings.

I like the positive vibes, but you guys are WAY overrating these players.

I'm just praying this man has a plan. If we go into the season with the team we have now, so help me god...

Man, I have NO idea.

Wtf is happening?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 19, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) Dbacks signed Jason Kubel to play LF....which makes a certain gold glove OF expendable..... You all know where I am going with this! You know, it'll never happen, BUT: It sort of would make sense for the D'Backs to put a package together for Danks, who would be an awesome upgrade for Saunders, and have a really serious pitching staff and be the big favorites in the West. In that situation, it would make sense to make Parra a big piece in the deal and to get De Aza back, who would serve the 4th OF role without sacrificing as much potential. I wouldn't mind it if we got a pitching prospect back too. Parra could really play CF too, it's just Davis is even better defensively.

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) Great minds...are sometimes also idiots. haha, verily.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) At first, I was reading every other word as its own sentence. It didn't make sense I did the same, lol

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) No one will take Rios with any other piece the White Sox can offer. Maybe Reagins will get a GM job real quick. Rios would look like a bargain next to Wells haha

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 10:59 AM) What is the gist for those of us that are not insiders? Proposes 5 trades: Danks to WSH for Brad Peacock and Destin Hood Beckham to SFG for Eric Surkamp, Heath Embree, and some no-name IF prospect Quentin to ATL for Kris Medlen and JJ Hoover Floyd to PIT for Starling Marte and Daniel Moskos Pierzynski to TBR for Jacob Thompson (some random pitching prospect) Of all of these, only the Beckham one makes absolutely no sense, because the last thing we need is a high-leverage RP prospect and the second to last thing we need is a young low-ceiling 4/5 starter.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 10:23 AM) He had one of the highest wOBAs of any regular in the Carolina League, in which he was one of the younger players. This from a premium position which he seems to play well enough to stick. I'm surprised he's not higher on the list. I'll be watching Saladino and Molina's stats closely next year. If Saladino is for real, and Escobar could be a stopgap, maybe we should be shopping Alexei. Good market for it this year; I bet the Giants would pay up.

So, what I've learned from this is that we have a ton of high-leverage RP prospects. Makes the Santos trade make a bit more sense, I guess. Also, I thought Osvaldo Martinez would be a top ten guy. I wonder if he'll show up on anyone else's lists.

Finally, something to change the subject around here: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/t...cago-white-sox/

I think we're best off if the Blue Jays get Darvish or Gio. The Rangers, Yankees, and Red Sox are under pressure to get pitching; they have to make a move somewhere. The Nats are dumb and are overly aggressive trying to gain relevance by acquiring borderline top-tier FAs. The Blue Jays however, I can see standing pat if they don't like what they see. Danks' value rises every time a SP leaves the market but the guys who HAVE to make a move still remain.

I'm just sick of the bickering and muckraking. All it does is put us all in a bad mood and fuel disagreements within the organization.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 03:23 PM) Not at all. I think he's a .750-.800 OPS outfielder and a giant upgrade from Juan Pierre. I'd think more like .725, but I agree, he'll strike out more but he's got a ton more pop. Let's not forget that Juan Pierre has like 14 career homeruns, which is not typical, even for a leadoff guy. De Aza could hit 10 next year if he's healthy.

Let's talk about something else.

No No No

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 05:13 PM) I wonder if teams are waiting to see who wins the claim on Yu Darvish before anyone commits to a Danks or Floyd trade. Wishful thinking? Not at all, and it's one of the reasons I don't understand why people are upset that neither of them has moved already. To maximize return, you have to cater to the market. The best time to move our guys is when they're the best remaining guys on the market.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) I'd rather they just move Quentin for whatever, and stand pat with the rest of the team....all of which have had some success in their careers. Baseball is a funny game. Career years happen. Injuries plague other teams. I'd rather they just play it out, and see where they're at at the all-star break. If that means they don't get as much for Danks and Floyd, so be it. At least they tried to win in 2012. If they go with a rotation with Axelrod and Stewart in it, then they really don't stand a chance. I'd like to see them go a little bit further and take advantage of the SP market by moving one of Danks/Floyd in addition to CQ. But you're right -- the money to D/R/P is sunk, and they are certainly all still young enough to play at a high level again, so they have much more value to us as potential contributors than as anchors to trash the value of our decent trade chips. Luckily, we're in a bad division, so even as grim as things are now, we still have a legitimate shot in the dark to win it next year. Never buy just to buy or sell just to sell -- just be shrewd and make the best of any opportunity that presents itself.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 10:57 AM) Of course, the opposite might also be the case -- despite all of the salivating GM's who did their best to CONVINCE Trader Kenny that he had overestimated the market for Danks/Floyd, THIS TIME Kenny remained patient, stuck to the plan, waited for the free agents to sign and some of the other attractive trade candidates to be moved, and will find himself with some truly valuable trading chips for pitching hungry teams in the weeks before pitchers and catchers are set to report! Any way you look at it, this was always the likeliest scenario to get max benefit for Danks/Floyd. Sure, they might still be with us because Kenny actually tried hard to move them already, but to no avail. I'm just hoping that this isn't the case and that we're holding firm and waiting for the seller's market to emerge. Hey, even a cynical Sox fan can hope now and then, right? This is exactly how I see it. KW might have made a mistake, but we have absolutely no way of knowing at this point. Even though we're all bored and want news, it makes absolutely ZERO sense to judge any 'non-moves' in the middle of December. We can't judge KW's offseason until the end of the offseason.

The latter: get big prospects. The veteran contracts will ironically help us if we're rebuilding, because we'll have veteran players to fill spots while the young guys get ready on the farm. If you think attendance is bad now, imagine what it would be like if we lost 100 games for a couple years.

See? This is the influence this man has. So glad we're rid of Guillen

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 12, 2011 -> 04:37 PM) I'm cool with Sheppers, Loux, Banuelos, Betances, or Montero. Seriously, get some of those. I'm guessing Montero is completely off-limits, and Banuelos isn't far behind. I think Betances is probably a bit overrated, so I can see Cashman ultimately dealing him. Scheppers seems reasonable too. Not familiar with Loux. People said Sanchez is off-limits, but isn't he just a worse, further off version of Montero? If I'm Cashman, I have to at least consider Betances + Sanchez for Danks. I mean, I know he only has one year of control, but picking up Danks would solve a ton of problems for NYY next year, and he'd be giving up a redundant future DH and a pitcher with an injury history that he hopes turns into Danks. Right? Am I out in left field?