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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) By trading away what asset? Probably something we'd get from the trades of Quentin/Floyd/Danks, which is assumed under the scenario he mentioned.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) I don't think you are going to get Bailey, Alonso, and Grandal for Danks and Thornton, I'm sorry, you just won't. Yeah, I think you go for Grandal instead of Alonso in that scenario, not Grandal PLUS Alonso.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 11:38 AM) no other team needs to be moved. There are now 5 teams in the AL West and 5 teams in the NL Central Is this move effective immediately? 2013

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 10:17 AM) Rockies would salivate over Danks, and they have several players who would really help the White Sox. I would love to see a big trade between these two teams, given that they have the worst GM's in MLB. This is the only way Kenny would have a level playing field in trade discussions. Who would we target on the Rockies? I'm not familiar with their farm

Alright, at least we have a cleanup man for next year.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) sooo what happens if we rebuild and dunn, rios, and beckham all have bounce back years but we fall short because we traded/let go of buehrle, danks, and or floyd and our pitching is turrable??? Do we blame kenny or since thats what we all want itll be all good??? just a thought We'd get pitching at the deadline if we needed it.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 04:05 PM) Escobar can't hit. I see him more as the IF super sub playing the role Vizquel did This. His ceiling is not much higher than Beckham's floor, offensively.

5 or 6, honestly. We're probably going to see a couple significant trades. The output of that is the chance for us to get excited about the progress of some prospects for the first time in a long time, and our expectations of next season are really low, but even losing a couple guys, our team still has a solid chance to take the division. Our lack of success was based on good players playing badly for no good reason at all. A healthy Peavy and an average season from Dunn/Rios could be enough to take the Central even without Buerhle and one of Danks/Floyd. So, it'll be nice to go into next season being able to focus on watching the players and maybe getting lucky with success, instead of expecting dominance and getting frustrated and angry when I don't see it every day.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 06:11 AM) Addison Reed is the future closer of this team anyway. But Santos is an arb guy so it doesn't hurt to keep him for a while unless some team(s) offers a solid prospect(s) for him. You can't have too many good relievers, we really need to stop thinking about RPs in terms of Closer/Setup/etc., ESPECIALLY because of how ridiculously volatile their performances are from year to year. Very few RPs stay good for more than a couple years.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) Well yeah, if the Yankees will not give up Betances or Banuelos than there is not fit probably. I would take Nova + others for Danks but they probably would not give up Nova either. What are the board's thoughts on potential Yankee hauls for Danks? Nova is the biggest regression candidate of 2011. His peripherals are bad, all his value is tied up in Wins. I don't want Nova except as a throw-in. Noesi, now, would be alright.

Haven't heard anyone mention this, but Danks makes sense in Cincinatti, and Grandal/Alonso are burning holes in Jocketty's pockets. I don't know where we'd stick Alonso, but Grandal would be nice.

I still think CQ makes sense for the Braves. Something centered around a Beachy/Minor/Delgado type would make sense. Really, I think they may be a bit down on Vizcaino too.

Guys, we're cutting payroll.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 05:45 PM) This just in, Bill James Handbook projects the following line for De Aza next year... .293/.350/.450. But it's only over 240 PAs. Nevertheless, it's about what I thought he'd be without the inflated BABIP. I'll gladly take that over Pierre any day. I would LOVE that line over 600 PA from him next year.

We'll all get over it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/e...ll-smith-fired/

I just don't see getting any value out of him right now. Given the current state of the roster, I think you have to just hope he figures it out. He makes league minimum.

Royals interested in Zambrano? http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/roya...s-zambrano.html Haha, I love Dayton Moore

Pretty even deal, I think. SFG fans seem to hate Sanchez. Dave Cameron says his high walks are due to his approach, rather than still-developing command: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/j...-good-as-his-k/

Aww, I was really starting to like Bill. Maybe they knee-jerked because he was about to give Cuddyer a five year deal.

Dayton Moore read our thread about Manto and figures that once Sanchez walks a few, our hitters will start swinging at everything and strike out.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/roya...ky-cabrera.html

At this point, you HAVE to give Santiago a shot. I firmly believe that Thornton is still good, but he's old enough that there's a good chance he won't be a couple seasons from now. You can't build around him and a lefty bullpen arm is among the last piece to be added to the puzzle of a team on the verge of making a postseason run.

I'd love to see Cooper take a stab at Brackman, assuming he could be had at a minimum-type contract.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) So Jeff Manto's silly little stat -- (R+RBI-HR)/G -- tweaked to account for the fact that a HR earns you both a run and an RBI as opposed to just one or the other -- (R+RBI-(HR*2))/G -- when calculated for last year's team looks something like this: 0.815 De Aza 0.797 Pierre 0.766 Ramirez 0.752 Konerko 0.695 Quentin 0.566 Rios 0.560 Beckham 0.543 Pierzynski 0.517 Viciedo 0.516 Morel 0.500 Flowers 0.459 Dunn 0.448 Vizquel 0.423 Lillibridge 0.314 Teahen Now, what have we learned? Absolutely nothing. We've learned that people who bat closer to the top of the lineup get more RBI and R opportunities. Which tells us very little about how well a player performed. Which is why we don't pay attention to formulas like that.