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Ha, I was following you through #1 and #2. Was trying to figure out how #3 made sense at all for the Padres, who just lost Heath Bell, and then I started laughing when Matt Moore got involved.

Wow. Guys, they'd roster him if we was worth it. He's never shown evidence that he can hit at anything close to an acceptable rate. We can find someone to play solid defense and hit like a pitcher if we need. Let's not let this stress us out.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) Plus, f*** Jake Peavy. The guy can't stay healthy for us and has contributed far less than Floyd. If he or anyone else thinks he deserves an opening day start, they can blow me. I'd say it would be less of an issue of 'deserves,' and much more about who would give us the best chance to win. With no Buerhle or Danks, (the mythical) healthy Peavy is probably our best pitcher.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 01:22 PM) Sweet jesus. 100 losses, easy. Though I doubt Floyd and Danks will be traded. You're right, it's more likely that one will go and the other will stay. I'd guess Floyd stays, but who knows. Do you give Gavin the opening day start over Peavy?

Think about this: It's likley that Mark is gone, and plausible that both Danks and Floyd are gone. If Peavy isn't healthy, Phil Humber could be our opening day starter. Ha Peavy Humber Sale Stewart Axelrod Now THAT, my friends, is a proper AL Central pitching rotation.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 11:08 AM) For what its worth, and probably not alot, I ran into a friend of mine who writes a sports column for the Columbus Dispatch prior to the OSU/Duke B-ball game and we got to talking baseball. This was just bar talk and by no means is meant to be a pending trade or anything like that, but he told me the Sox and Reds have discussed multiple deals involving the following names: The usual suspects from the Sox side, Danks, Floyd, Quentin, and Thornton. From the Reds side: Alonso, whichever catcher the like least of Mesoraco/Grandal although the Reds like them both, SP Homer Bailey, LHP Donnie Jones, Drew Stubbs. Said prospects 2B/SS Billy Hamilton, an OF named Rodriguez, SS Cozart, and 3B Francisco were pretty much untouchable. Doubts they trade Votto or Bruce because they think they can win this year. Nothing earth shattering, just thought I'd pass it on. I'd much rather have Grandal than Alonso, even though KW probably prefers Alonso because he's ML ready. I don't think we have any place to put him though. Maybe LF? Alonso/De Aza/Vicedo would work I guess, if you bench Rios. But Grandal, a switch-hitting, power-hitting C with a solid throwing arm that is a year or two away -- sign me up. Gives Flowers time to make or break, and then we dump one or the other for pitching in 2013.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 10:58 AM) Have it your way. I have been around long enough to know what to believe and not believe. If it happens ok, but be prepared for several years of second division ball. Now if you want to truly shed payroll you get rid of the high priced non-performers. Suck it up! No one. Wants. High priced non-performers. So you can't trade them. You can't. Trade them.

I love Mark as much as everyone else, but we all know it doesn't make any sense to bring him back unless he gives us a huge hometown discount, which it sounds like he is not going to do. We have to let him go, guys.

I guess I'd rather let Flowers turn into an average C. It's a fair return, but I think the Sox could try to fill their holes better. A half-relaistic SP prospect would be preferable.

Good two-seamer. I think he needs a good cutter or better change-up to stick as a mid-rotation guy.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) A lot of fans (myself included) probably overvalue Mark because of what he means to the team. I think if the Sox signed him for 3 years at $13 or $14 million per he would probably earn the money with his pitching. Much more than that and I think the Sox would be paying for Mark Buehrle the man vs. Mark Buehrle the pitcher. I'd love to see him back, and even if the Sox overpaid I'd be happy. But the more analytical part of me would be yelling at the emotional part of me saying he's being paid money that should have been used elsewhere. I think it makes sense to bring him back at market value IF Danks and Floyd are gone. Likewise, if Buerhle walks, we can probably only afford to trade one fo those guys.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) I thought Bill James had him hitting .210 with 20 bombs next year. Something like that. Bill James' projections are notoriously different than most of the popular formats. Generally, speaking they are a lot more optimistic than ZiPS. Weird that Dunn's is less optimistic.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 09:36 AM) As long they can keep the ball in the park, the other 24 Lillibombs would catch everything. The OF Lillibombs would back up the IF Lillibombs and get to all of their fielding errors quickly.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 01:46 PM) We should do a poll and ask ... at what cost would u bring back Mark. I'd say ... any cost. Just outbid everybody. It's not our money. And ticket prices will be outrageous no matter if he signs or not. Come on, man. Obviously it's not our money, but we still care about how it's being spent, because any money that goes to Buerhle is money that doesn't go to another player(s). And that includes saving money this year and spending it down the road. The payroll is not unlimited.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...cago_white_sox/ Tons more info in the link than pasted below.

http://www.throughthefencebaseball.com/why...quentin/13851/# BLOG SPECULATION: Quentin to the Padres? Anyone for us to target in San Diego?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 04:30 PM) You have to be at least a middle-aged man. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how you still can't get how this works. You're not a pre-teen playing Xbox. In real life, teams don't take Adam Dunn after batting .159 for an entire season with three years and $42 million remaining on his contract just because you turn off the intelligent trade option. I seriously don't get how you constantly say things as simple (not as in "easy to understand", but rather "moronic") as this. +1 to this. Everyone please stop acting like KW is intentionally punishing the fans by keeping the players you hate instead of just trading them for better players that you like. He is under pressure to cut payroll, so he has to trade some people. No one wants the highly paid bad players, so he has to move the highly paid good players.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) By trading away what asset? Probably something we'd get from the trades of Quentin/Floyd/Danks, which is assumed under the scenario he mentioned.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) I don't think you are going to get Bailey, Alonso, and Grandal for Danks and Thornton, I'm sorry, you just won't. Yeah, I think you go for Grandal instead of Alonso in that scenario, not Grandal PLUS Alonso.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 11:38 AM) no other team needs to be moved. There are now 5 teams in the AL West and 5 teams in the NL Central Is this move effective immediately? 2013

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 10:17 AM) Rockies would salivate over Danks, and they have several players who would really help the White Sox. I would love to see a big trade between these two teams, given that they have the worst GM's in MLB. This is the only way Kenny would have a level playing field in trade discussions. Who would we target on the Rockies? I'm not familiar with their farm

Alright, at least we have a cleanup man for next year.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) sooo what happens if we rebuild and dunn, rios, and beckham all have bounce back years but we fall short because we traded/let go of buehrle, danks, and or floyd and our pitching is turrable??? Do we blame kenny or since thats what we all want itll be all good??? just a thought We'd get pitching at the deadline if we needed it.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 04:05 PM) Escobar can't hit. I see him more as the IF super sub playing the role Vizquel did This. His ceiling is not much higher than Beckham's floor, offensively.

5 or 6, honestly. We're probably going to see a couple significant trades. The output of that is the chance for us to get excited about the progress of some prospects for the first time in a long time, and our expectations of next season are really low, but even losing a couple guys, our team still has a solid chance to take the division. Our lack of success was based on good players playing badly for no good reason at all. A healthy Peavy and an average season from Dunn/Rios could be enough to take the Central even without Buerhle and one of Danks/Floyd. So, it'll be nice to go into next season being able to focus on watching the players and maybe getting lucky with success, instead of expecting dominance and getting frustrated and angry when I don't see it every day.