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QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Jan 17, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) Edwin Jackson for Freddy Garcia. Rotation becomes: Peavy, Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Jackson, pretty sick. Juan Uribe for Omar Vizquel. Uribe on the bench. Dunn for Lillibridge, put Dunn at either 1B and have Konerko DH, or put Dunn at RF and have Quentin DH. Sign free agent Fernando Rodney, discard Scott Linebrink. Sign free agent Darren Oliver, discard Randy Williams. Roster: Lineup 1. Pierre LF 2. Alexei SS 3. Quentin DH 4. Dunn RF 5. Beckham 2B 6. Konerko 1B 7. Rios CF 8. Pierzynski C 9. Teahen 3B Bench: 10. Kotsay 11. Nix 12. Uribe 13. Jones 14. Castro Rotation: 15. Peavy R 16. Buehrle L 17. Floyd R 18. Danks L 19. Jackson R Bullpen 20. Jenks R Closer 21. Thornton L Set-up 22. Rodney R Set-up 23. Putz R MR 24. Oliver L MR 25. Torres R LR I like it all, but you're supposed to just make ONE move

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jan 17, 2010 -> 11:45 PM) To both of you: absolutely correct. But not at all on point. I was misquoted. I said I want a guy who, aside from power, is more useful w/ the bat than just homeruns. Walks have nothing to do w/ my original point. Never even mentioned them in it. I'm saying that walks should not be ignored. They're almost as good as singles. The ONLY reason they aren't as good as singles is because they don't score runners from second. It's been shown time and time again that OBP is more important to wins than batting average, meaning that in most instances it's a better measure of value. The only time OBP is diminished, in terms of run production, is when your SLG is super low. But Thome's is huge! The combination is deadly. I mean the guy has around100 walks every year. He's either getting on base or knocking guys in. When he gets out, he either strikes out (no GIDP) or flies out (potential sac fly). The walks cannot be ignored, and are one of the biggest reasons that Thome will bring astronomically more value to the team as DH than a Jones/Kotsay platoon.

Yeah, he'll be good for middle relief when Randy Williams needs tired.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jan 17, 2010 -> 09:58 PM) This was in response to me saying Thome doesnt do tons with the bat besides hitting a HR. How is a walk something you do with the bat? It's the opposite of that. A walk is something you do at-bat that helps your team's offense tremendously.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jan 17, 2010 -> 02:24 PM) I think of Thome as someone who doesnt do a ton with the bat other than go long. Thome's .404 career OBP and 1600+ walks respectfully disagree. If we want a common denominator of offensive production between power guys and contact guys, it has to be total bases. Thome's OPS, even last year, was .847. Kotsay's was .717, Jones' was .782. There's simply no way this team isn't better with Thome than by rotating bench players as DH. There is no advantage to that, at all. At all. It's a ludicrous argument. "Oh, but Ozzie gets the flexibility to use players in different situations." How does he not ALWAYS have that? He can rotate players in however he likes, whether we actually have a STARTING player at DH or not. If he wants to start Jones/Kotsay/Lillibridge at DH one day, he can! If he wants to pinch hit Jones for Thome one day with a lefty on the mound, he can! Why not have someone GOOD there most of the time?

QUOTE (since56 @ Jan 17, 2010 -> 08:14 AM) Why are we so locked into the stereotype of a DH being a power hitter. There wwere times last rear I would have had Pods at at Dh because we needed him at lead off but his defense was so bad I wouldn't want him out there. If you have a guy that can not play the field but can still hit what you have is a pinch hitter. Ozzie wants the Dh spot to be able to hit in match ups run the bases and go into the field if necessary. The DH does not have to be a home run or nothing guy. He will use his bench to fill that spot. That also gives him room on the roster for another picher. This would be fine IF we had enough power in our lineup. But we don't, so it isn't fine.

Original post edited for salary rule. I like the Upton idea a lot. Of course Lincecum/Mauer are top notch options, but I personally would like to take a player that complements what we already have. IMO, our pitching and catching are the least of our problems.

If you could pluck ANY SINGLE player in baseball from any team and put them on the White Sox, who would it be? Rules: 1. When you pick one, you must also DISCARD one 2. The player that you discard MUST be a player from Chicago's 40-man roster (or at least likely to make the team in ST this year) 3. You must consider payroll, at least in what it could potentially limit the Sox to do in the future 4. You CANNOT choose Albert Pujols EDIT: 5. You do NOT have to eat the salary of the player you discard. So, you can definitely use the discard for a salary dump. Here's mine: ANDRE ETHIER/Brent Lillibridge We put Ethier in right, Rios in center, and Pierre in left. This moves CQ to the DH position, solving that disaster. Bench is full of quality pinch hitters and we still have a leadoff. Nix/Vizquel will back up the infield just fine; we're better off knowing that Lillibridge will never see the field. Lineup becomes: 1. Pierre, LF 2. Beckham, 2B 3. Ethier, RF 4. Quentin, DH 5. Konerko, 1B 6. Pierzynski, C 7. Rios, CF 8. Teahen, 3B 9. Ramirez, SS Honorable Mention: ADRIAN GONZALEZ/Brent Lillibridge - PK becomes DH MATT KEMP/Brent Lillibridge - Same scenario above except Rios in right, Kemp in center EVAN LONGORIA/Juan Pierre - This is only if we would sign a DH like Thome, but we'd be short a leadoff guy. OF would be Teahen/Rios/CQ. What are yours?

Please, PLEASE sign a DH! I do not want to waste this staff.

I'm thinking Craig Counsell at this point. Yes, I'm the guy that voted "backup IF"

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 12, 2010 -> 11:15 PM) Honestly, I think OBP is still the best way to judge a leadoff man since his job is to get on base. I agree with this 1000%. Speed is a distant second to OBP, so long as he isn't slow enough to clog the bases.

This rotating DH bull is really giving me a headache. Seriously, if we waste this pitching staff by intentionally starting bench players in an EASY power spot to fill, Ozzie should have his job in jeopardy. I mean I've NEVER said that, but this strategy is just stupid baseball. It's just dumb. I cannot believe KW really buys into this.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jan 10, 2010 -> 11:03 AM) We've all gone from being terrified of being stuck with Thome again to being terrified of life w/o him. I just hope this time around they bat him a little lower and mix in Jones. I hope we get Thome and have for months

This is precisely why we need Jim Thome back.

Lyle Mouton!

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 4, 2010 -> 12:07 AM) I don't think there is much pressure to make the major trade before the season. Let's fill out the roster for now, and then look to add that bigger piece during the season. For now, I'm just really curious to see what Andruw Jones is gonna bring to the table. He could turn into cheap lightning. I hope so too, but it's very unlikely considering he hasn't had a decent year since 2006. I agree that we don't need to make a huge trade, but we absolutely need to sign a good DH. The rest of our team (especially the pitching) is too good this year to risk on hoping that some bench players will turn into all stars in the DH slot.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jan 3, 2010 -> 12:32 PM) The problem is comparing him to other first basemen... because 1Bs tend to be the best hitters on most MLB teams. Instead, compare him to all hitters / position players. I took a look to see where he would fit on most MLB rosters. Bottom line is he'd still be one of the top 3 hitters (OPS-wise) in almost any MLB lineup. No, because he IS a first baseman. It's a matter of opportunity cost. The question is this: Is Konerko worth $12m when we could sign a better first baseman for less? I don't know, he's a bit overpaid for his production but he's still a very good player, offensively and defensively, and he's a proven veteran. That's how it works when you make a career on one team, the longer you're in, the more you get paid. I don't mind his salary as long as he keeps putting up last year's numbers.

Crossing fingers for Guerrero or Thome.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 1, 2010 -> 12:43 AM) Jeter scratching his nuts came in at #12. Haha definitely

I'm with you guys: Thome is my second choice, right behind Vlad and right in front of Delgado. Yeah, he strikes out a lot, but he also walks a lot, which is what makes him an OBP threat and an OPS monster. And that's what we're missing: an RBI guy.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Dec 30, 2009 -> 04:16 PM) I know highly unlikely, but if the Sox got Holliday, attendence, wins, and playoff chances go way up. Which equals the revenue to pay him. If we're out of it in a few years, they can always trade him unless he turns into garbage (highly unlikely)... but I still see STL signing him. Pierre CF Beckham 2B Holliday RF Quentin DH Konerko 1B Ramirez SS AJP C Rios CF Teahen 3B Now that I will bet on a WSox world series... and they may need that to compete with Yankees, Redsox, Mariners, Angels, even Tampa Bay. The AL will have some elite teams this year. There's absolutely zero chance we get Holliday. We simply don't have the budget. That's why we signed Andruw Jones.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 30, 2009 -> 02:29 PM) What would be considered acceptable? .800+? With Guerrero, Thome, and Delgado available, yeah I'd say .800+ I mean a DH is a unique opportunity to pay less for a one dimensional player. We can get a guy that hits well and not worry about his defense. You want to rotate bench outfielders? Rotate them. In the outfield. Winn is decent but he's best as an outfielder. If we got him and put him at DH, we might as well just use Kotsay all year.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 29, 2009 -> 10:31 PM) Fangraphs - Freddy Bloody Garcia Interesting stuff from fangraphs. I'm not smart enough to articulate everything this article is stating, but apparently, Sweaty Freddy gets about as much out of his talent as any other starting pitcher in the league...and this is not a new thing for him, but rather, something he has done for the majority of his career. Interesting indeed. We always wonder how he hangs in there

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 29, 2009 -> 03:54 PM) My question in reply is...do we look at Vlad's numbers last year and think "This is vastly better than we'd get from Jones". I'm just not sure I do. Jones's numbers are only 10 points of OPS below Vlad. Played in less games due to injury, but he's also 2 years younger and hasn't spent time playing on the turf in Montreal The one thing I can see being a legit upgrade is a LH bat rather than a RH bat. Ozzie loves the platoon, we already know that, and there are guys on the market he can do that with. He can't do it with Vlad, and that really creates a RH heavy heart of the order unless Teahen steps up big time. But Jones hasn't had a decent season since 2006. Vlad's 2008 numbers were 303/365/521/886

QUOTE (soxfan-kwman @ Dec 29, 2009 -> 10:56 AM) Rotating DH- After watching Pods rotate around from CF/LF & DH, I think Kenny Williams wants to try that with Pierre (better bunter) for a whole year. It should make us less vulnerable during interleague play also. Also, Andruw Jones will be in LF for Pierre in the end of games (ala Brian Anderson for Swish, Mackoviack, Griffey etc) Plus Paulie can get some rest, Carlos, & AJ can play some DH too (providing we get a decent back up catcher). Every time I read this plan it seems like more of a joke.