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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) EB .291/.341/.380 DV .291/.331/.507 What about the last 2 years for DV?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 5, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) Better than the Saladino alternative I was thinking would happen, and I think it hints at the strong likelihood of Johnson winning the 2B job. The means a bench of: --Backup C --Bonifacio --4th OF (right now Viciedo) --??? The ??? can be just about anyone, now that Bonifacio is there, because he can cover basically any position AND can PR. So his presence actually adds flexibility to the rest of the bench. You could go Sanchez or Saladino, or you could even have another OF, an extra pitcher, or heck even Davidson or Wilkins (though I think those are unlikely). Hard not to like the move. I'd have to say right now Danks, Viciedo, and Shuck are in contention for the last 2 bench spots. If Viciedo is traded, Shuck will have a better shot, but Danks will have a spot, and it's for him to lose. With the health issues of Eaton and defensive struggles of Avi, we absolutely need someone who's a defensive minded OF. Danks fits that bill.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 5, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) Then he saw the "I am drunk" thread and announced White Sox players and staff will only stay at Motel 6's from now on. So not only are you saying Hahn reads Soxtalk, but Steve could actually be a Sox player?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) No offense to anyone here, but if Rick Hahn is getting personnel ideas from Soxtalk, JR needs to find a new GM. Thanks, Dick. And no offense to you, I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Rick Hahn takes advices from Soxtalk. If he did, we would've signed every free agent out there this offseason, and traded for Upton, Kemp, Castro, CarGo and Viciedo would have been long gone by now.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 28, 2014 -> 06:02 AM) Saying that I am wrong is a stupid thing to say, I just diagree with you. If you're confident in your system and your player development process then you shoul feel confident in your team's ability to develop those picks into solid players. The more draft picks you have, the greater influx of talent that enters the system, the more players you develop into major league caliber players and more you don't have to go out and sign players to big contacts and the flexibility you have as an organization. Look at the Cardinals. You might not want to hear this, but prospect developing is more about luck than anything else. Until statisticians and sabes can invent a scientific method that could predict the success of prospects with great success, it will always be the case. Even for the model farm system like the Cardinals who you assumed have better ability to develop draft picks, they only developed 2 major leaguers with their 3rd round picks from 2003 to 2011. Joe Kelly and Daniel Descalso. To top it off, none of the said draft picks even made any Top 100 lists. So let me ask, would you take the pick with less than 20% of even reaching the major leagues, or would you take Melky Cabrera, a proven major leaguer that fills a need? So far, we aren't even taking into account the timing of the resource. The Sox have a need now, not 4 years from now. Timing of the sources is extremely important, that's why teams overpaid for needs at the trade deadline (see A's trade for Samardzija). The Cardinals are a smart organization, they do not have just one strategy to build their roster. I think any smart organization would have done what the Sox had done to fill a need. The 3rd round pick is just the cost of doing business.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 1, 2015 -> 08:29 PM) These are stretches you could predict having really had a run of games. But, his defense is a joke recently. He did just redeem himself and block an alley hoop

You keep suggesting getting Zobrist depending on the cost of the trade, but Balta already hinted to you the price tag for Zobrist. We'd have to give up at least either of Danish/Montas, plus a couple of top 10 guys to get him, with the likelihood that he will walk away after this year. If we are going to trade the farm for a guy, we should target guys who will be here for our window of contention, which is the next 3-4 years, not just 2015. Trading for a rental player is a move you make in July, not in January. Lastly, if the Sox are looking to make moves to improve chances of playoffs this year, I think another starting pitcher is a bigger need than 2B. If we have a need a 2B come July or August, one could be had for a lesser price.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 12:47 PM) The question to ask in reply is...would you be willing to miss the playoffs this year if Sanchez and Johnson can't provide decent performance out of 2b? To which I ask, are we so sure right now that 2B is our weakest position and is it our biggest need to upgrade taking account long term potential? It sounds like you're suggesting we are making this decision for this year only, and if that's the case we don't have to have the roster completed by January. I rather wait till July or August to evaluate our need to make a playoff run, and similar talent could be had for a lesser price around that time. On top of that, Sanchez has a track record for hitting in the minors, and if you take into account defense as well, he could be out performing Gillaspie by July.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) The bat hasn't really slowed down, but his power has diminished. He's still hitting about .270 and walking 10-11% of the time. And, while you're right that the defense will slow down, I don't know that it will get to the point where he's a liability in the field. I don't see any reason why he couldn't be a 2-3 WAR player at age 38 considering he's been a 5-6 WAR player for pretty much the entirety of his career. Again, not saying I want him, but he's not going to be cheap to acquire. That was precisely what I was hinting at. I agree that he wouldn't fall off the face of the earth by age 37-38. I actually DON'T want to go after him for another reason. It could play out in two scenarios for us. We acquire him and lose him in free agency or we lock him up for a huge deal. I wouldn't want to trade the farm for him for just 1 year, because for what? If we do lock him up, it wouldn't be cheap. With no contracts coming off the book next year, it would also impact our flexibility to resign Shark as well as extending some of the guys like Eaton and Avi, and upgrade in the positions of greater need, 3B and C. We already have 2 prospects who are close to ML ready at 2B. At some point you got to play them. That's why the "trade for Zobrist so prospects could develop" argument doesn't work here. If we are going to trade prospects for a position player, it better be a 3B or C, as we don't have in house replacements, or a 2B with a cost controlled contract.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) So you don't believe that Ben Zobrist, at 34 years old, has another 3-4 good years left in him? I think he'd be a perfectly acceptable player until he's 38. I also said I thought that two top 100 prospects like d'Arnaud and Syndergaard was probably too much for Dickey in hindsight and that it may very well be too much for Zobrist. For someone who's value is heavily dependent on his defense, I don't think he could cover as much range as he could now both in the infield and outfield when he's 38 years old. Not to mention his bat is already slowing down the past 2 years.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 02:38 PM) He's far too valuable a player. RA Dickey fetched Noah Syndergaard and Travis d'Arnaud (as well as Wuilmer Becerra) 2 years ago going into his age 38 season. I think that's a little excessive in hindsight, but it's going to take some very good prospects to get Zobrist. Dude Dickey is a bad comparison. He's a knuckleballer, they pitch into their 40's. Wakefield pitched till he's 45, Charlie Hough retired at 46. Jamie Moyer tried to learn the knuckler and pitch again at 50. At the time of the trade, Toronto thought Dickey still has at least 3-4 good years left in him. On top of that, I don't think Dickey has that much mileage on his arm, so he's a safer bet to avoid the DL.

I don't think Thibs did a good job with his rotation tonight. On a night where Brooks isn't doing much on offense, he could put the bigger Mirotic at SF to match up against Copeland rather than Jimmy. Not to mention they are already looking to give Niko more burn at SF to begin with.

Jimmy needs to take a charge or pull the chair on Copeland. I have not seen him getting taken advantage like that.

I have not seen a collapse like this in a long time.

Jimmy GGG. Buckets. Oh my gawd.

So you really think, if he hypothetically does again, that it wouldn't cause any animosity between him and the teammate, and the clubhouse wouldn't gang up against him? He would definitely be traded again.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 03:20 PM) J4L is who he is. He likes to take the best performance of the night and make a bold statement that the same performance will be extrapolated over whole season, while never commenting on the bulls. However, I thought it was crazy that anyone would sacrifice getting a scoring star because they wanted to keep Jimmy Butler. Frankly, I had no idea he had this post game. And I can't believe he developed a fade away post shot in one offseason. That means he can learn a hell of a lot more in the next 3 offseasons. To be fair, when was the last time J4L is right about his predictions? 1998?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) It seemed like every week the announcers were commenting on their lack of urgency in getting up to the line. Part of the reason was Trestman tried to be conservative, especially if they didn't have a good chance of scoring, to protect Cutler from committing any unnecessary turnovers and hurt his confidence (especially early on in the season). Guess what, Cutler still end up leading the league in turnovers..

Under Cutler this season, the Bears have a total of 2, (that's right, TWO!), touchdowns insides the 2 minute warning - 1 came against in week 2 against SF, the other was a garbage time TD pass to Jeffery against the Saints. Put that in perspective, the both Tampa and Tennessee finished 2-14, but has 4 and 6 TD's, respectively, inside the 2 minute warning. Just goes to show you how bad the offense was under pressure and how inconsistent it was to develop any sort of rhythm.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 28, 2014 -> 10:41 PM) I think the first step was unintentional, then the 2nd step was clearly on purpose, and then he takes all his weight off his front foot and pushing off Rodgers to step forward again. And he never once looks down, which is a normal reaction when someone accidentally steps on something, and he also never turns around when Rodgers pushes him, because he knows what he did. If he truly didn't know what was happening, he would have turned around and question why Rodgers was pushing him and yelling. Piece of s***, through and through. Completely agreed. He had that tough-guy walk back to Detroit huddle after Rodgers pushes him off too, like he didn't give a s*** about what he just did.

So we end up with a worse record and less points scored than a team that lost Adrian Peterson and started a rookie QB for most of the year. That's just embarrassing. On the bright side, 7th pick. Yay.

Please stop now boys.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 28, 2014 -> 01:58 PM) He's just trying to help Forte break the RB reception record. What an unselfish teammate. ugh lol. I rather he goes Aaron Rodgers in this game so we could actually find a taker for his ass this offseason.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 28, 2014 -> 01:42 PM) How is that any different than the first 14 games he played this season? He's on a mission to outdo himself in those first 14 games. Over 20 passes thrown, only 1 went for more than 10 yards.

Just because there was one pass thrown for more than 10 yards doesn't mean there was only 1 play route that was ran more than 10 yards.