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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2014 -> 09:55 AM) You gave a number of 90%, who else is there? As in more injury prone than most other pitchers. Number is arbitrary. I've already covered the grounds of probability with Balta, we can drop it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) Non sequitor. Who else is out there fitting the description who has had injury problems. Denied. It was in the original claim. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89048 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 7, 2014 -> 09:45 AM) Yes sir. Even Felix has lost a lot of velocity, but he's been able to remain good (or improve) as a pitcher overall, which is incredible to consider. I really do wonder how much of Lincecum falling off has to do with his height and not being able to get downward angle on his fastball. Good read on the downfall of The Freak http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whats-wr...h-tim-lincecum/

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2014 -> 09:03 AM) The only other funky skinny dude I can think of from today is Lincecum, and he has no real injury history. Pedro was a pretty healthy guy for most his career. Who else is there talk about. I wonder what's causing him to suck so much the past 3 years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:43 AM) And I think based on nearly 20 pitchers in MLB already going out for Tommy John surgery this year alone, if you choose to believe that somehow Chris Sale is a greater risk than any other pitcher, you need to make a much stronger case than "I think his mechanics look weird". Pitchers are going down left and right in this league. Based on the number of pitchers going down for that surgery already this year, an equally plausible answer seems to be "your baseball team should not employ pitchers". Season ending injury is one thing, if they can come back relatively healthy after TJS, then it's fine. Some of the injuries this year appear to be fluke injuries. But chronic injuries is another. and his delivery/frame could very well lead to such. We will revisit this topic in a couple of years.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:11 AM) Only 17 pitchers threw more innings than him over the past 2 seasons, but yet he's 90% more likely to get injured? I guess he should play the lottery. 1. Are you then suggesting all other pitchers who had lower inning totals couldn't have pitch Chris Sales inning totals based on durability alone, not results? And would they have run into the workload issues Sale did? 2. He's our staff ace, those inning totals are expected, the question is can he sustain those workload year after year. We would need him to shoulder more workload if we were to count on him in the post season. 3. My original argument was Chris Sale's health in the next 3-5 years, talk to me then if Sale is still in the top 50 in innings pitched after the time span.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:09 AM) Again, you're still not defining your terms, giving examples, or giving me any reason to believe this. How many pitchers are there with comparable deliveries? You're not even working on anecdotes right now, working on anecdotes would be naming a couple guys with similar deliveries who did get hurt. You're just saying what your gut tells you about his delivery. I never claimed 90% is a scientific number that was derived from researches, it was plain arbitrary to get a point across. And there isn't a way to determine a scientific number or formula on his injury probability, just as there isn't a scientific way to determine a prospect's potential. Most prospects are evaluated based on forms, approach, size, athletic ability, intangibles, and relating back to past prospects to project their potential. Most of it is based on observation with the human eyes. Yet we seem to be very willing to accept the prospect assessments. Given what he delivery and frame suggests and the elbow/arm issues the past 3 years, if we choose to not believe that Chris Sale is more susceptible to injuries than most pitchers in baseball, then I think we are in denial here.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2014 -> 08:06 PM) How do you come up with that number? Are you sure it's not 75%? 60%? What fraction of the more at-risk pitchers gets injured and on what average timescale? Maybe more, if you look at pitchers who has such a violent delivery and who also have the thin frame he has, while throwing as hard as he does. The 3 elbow issues he had in the past 3 years are not fluke injuries, they most likely are results of him repeating a highly stressful delivery for 100 times every 5 days. Whatever the outcome this latest injury is, we should take it as a warning sign. It would be miraculous if he avoid any serious elbow injuries over the next 3 years. I hope I am wrong, but I am not liking the chances.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 6, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) Correct. I need to start qualifying my posts better. Trading Chris Sale for anything short of a player along the lines of Mike Trout or even a Manny Machado is laughably dumb. I apologize for making the assumption that those trades aren't out there. Injuries can happen to ANY pitcher, or any professional athlete for that matter. But the combination of his frame and delivery makes him more susceptible to injury than 90% of the pitchers in baseball. If he is perfectly healthy, no one would dare to bring up any trade ideas, but the fact that he can be out of baseball 3 years from now, you definitely have to weigh in on all options. I was just surprised that most people didn't take this injury prone billing seriously, and would only trade him for the moon when I brought up the topic. If the Cardinals came at me with something like Taveras, Wacha and Wong last year, I would have said yes. We won't be in playoff contention for the next couple of years, and by that time, Sale might not be be the same pitcher as he is now. To also think that we are counting on someone who can only make 30 starts a year, and ran out of gas in the second half of the past 2 seasons, in a playoff series, I think that's scary.

It's a little early, and it's will be devastating news if Sale requires season ending surgery, but we can revisit this http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89048

Many people go to the Maxwell on 31st and Canal, but I prefer driving up north a bit and head to the Jim's Original in University Village. Lawrence Fisheries on Cermak and Canal has great fried seafood, and opens pretty late. If you want to take the kids to ice cream, Sugar Shack on 26th and Lowe's is an excellent spot. For a good sit down place, Oliver's Cafe on 31st and Canal opened not too long ago, and it's definitely worth a visit.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 04:17 PM) Yet you IGNORE that the Sox have never drawn better under any other ownership group. The TOP TWENTY attendance totals are under the current ownership. And with 16 of them in the current facility that apparently no one likes. Numbers don't lie. The 2013 White Sox, the 2nd worst of all time, still outdrew the 1960 team that was coming off a world series appearance. The danger of using raw numbers. Were we dead last in attendance in the 1960's? Time has changed man

It's definitely good news for those with UD tickets, but kind of unfair for those who paid LD prices?

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 13, 2014 -> 02:18 PM) That's all very fair. Maybe it's the amount scouts and "experts" that bug me. Everyone has an opinion, and I really don't think it means much. I mean, if scouting were an exact science, then no first round pick would be a bust without an injury. That's why I'm not paying much attention to who the Sox are going to take at 3. It's such a crapshoot no matter how good the player looks in his uniform, or how hard he throws. Scouting prior to the draft is mostly about analyzing a guy's physical abilities and tools, and projects the likelihood of the player reaching his potential, assuming that the player can go to a system improve on his techniques. Scouting here at the game is more about what the player is doing right and what he isn't doing right, not much so on projections. I think we can agree that if a player isn't using the right techniques, he wouldn't have success in the long haul, even if he's hitting .350 right now. I would trust this guy's take on what Hawkins's approach over whatever we can extrapolate from the box scores.

It's hard to believe Miguel Gonzalez is still only 23 years old. He's been known for his work behind the plate, hopefully he can put it together this year with the bat. Perhaps Tim Anderson and May are suffering the Courtney Hawkins second year syndrome? Anderson's strikeout rate is extremely alarming.

As of today, after 11 games in, the White Sox leads the majors in run scored! It's might be a slugfest s*** show today, Paulino may get lit up, but it sure is fun to see us score more runs today

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 6, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) They always do that that when the divas have a WM match. You can't have two hot matches in a row. Crowd needs a break. Define hot.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Apr 3, 2014 -> 10:31 AM) I have a goofy question. I've never really paid attention to All NBA team voting results before. One question, is that voted on positional like best PG, SG, SF, PF and C or is it voted on as best Guards, Fowards and Center? In other words, can you have two SGs if the best guards that year were SGs or do you separate by position? Best PG, SG and so forth... I ask this because Kevin Durant has been the best SF this season, yes even over LeBron. I know LBJ sometimes plays PF when they go small but we all know he's always been a SF first. So LeBron gets a 1st team All NBA as a PF even though they're better natural PFs (Griffin, Love) in the league? Two SFs are in the 1st All NBA team? The way I see it, KD should be 1st All NBA SF and LeBron 2nd All NBA SF, I don't get how he's a better PF than those guy's whose first position is PF. Lebron and Durant has been on all NBA First teams for the past 4 years. The rule for voting all NBA teams is 2 guards, 2 forwards and a center.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 1, 2014 -> 09:26 PM) It's not hard to ignore at all when you consider how defense is evaluated in 2014. The days of raw blocks per game, steals per game and defensive rebounds per game are over. defensive rating and rim protection (for bigs) are what's vogue now. Otherwise Gasol never wins it last year. I agree with you when it comes to Hibberts minutes. He gets winded at times and is not every mobile. Still, Noah's 5 minutes per game is more than likely not enough to close the defensive gap between the two. Yes, which still favors Noah over Hibbert. Regardless of how you look at it, Noah is at near the top of the board for many many voters for the award. Defensive Rating 1. Joakim Noah-CHI 95.7 2. Andrew Bogut-GSW 95.8 3. Paul George-IND 96.3 4. Tim Duncan-SAS 96.9 5. Roy Hibbert-IND 97.2 Defensive Win Shares 1. Paul George-IND 6.1 2. Joakim Noah-CHI 5.9 3. DeAndre Jordan-LAC 5.5 4. Roy Hibbert-IND 4.9 5. David West-IND 4.8

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 1, 2014 -> 08:40 PM) Marc Gasol averaged 7.8 rpg last year and won. Hibbert is the #1 rim protector in the game for the #1 defense in the game. Not sure how he's not the DPOY. Hibbert is a valid argument. But it's hard to ignore the 7 RPG and that he only plays 30 MPG. He's the best interior defender in the game today, but his low minutes limit his impact, the his rebounding leaves a lot to be desired. One big difference between Hibbert and Noah is the latter can step out and guard the perimeter on occasions, Hibbert's lateral quickness extremely limited so he's a non factor in this area. Noah impacts the game in more areas while playing 5 more minutes a game. If you asked me two months ago, I would have said Hibbert hands down, but Hibbert and the Pacers D has fallen back to earth after such an amazing start.

Durant and Lebron are no brainers. Love is having an amazing year in his own right. It's a toss up between Griffin and Davis. I went with Griffin because of team success, but I have no problem with Davis over him in second team.

It's almost the end of the season so I will post predictions for the regular season awards, just because several Bulls will have legit shot at the honors MVP: Durant (well deserved) ROY: MCW (It's not saying much) Sixth Man: Taj Gibson (would be awesome to see a defensive player win it) DPOY: Noah (George is the only other deserving candidate) COY: Dwane Casey (Hornacek and Thibs also in the mix) All NBA First Team: Noah Durant Lebron Harden Paul All NBA Second Team: Cousins Love Griffin Dragic Curry All NBA Third Team: Howard Davis George Derozan (will probably be Wade) Wall Defensive First Team: Noah Davis George Butler Paul Defensive Second Team: Jordan Ibaka Lebron (Travesty if he was first team and not George) Henderson Conley Feel free to disagree

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 31, 2014 -> 08:58 AM) I'm in on this, but I've also been thinking that maybe since we've proven we can draft defensive studs, we keep drafting them since we know we are good at them, never sign them, and use some money to pay for offense. I think offensive players are always worth more in free agent market than defensive players. And I think we are gonna be cash strapped for the next 3-4 years to make any push for offensive players who are difference makers, especially if we lock up Jimmy and bring over Mirotic. Given that, we should put all our marbles on offense in this years draft, and hope that drafting a talented offensive player, albeit limited in some other areas, can lead to a poor man's klay Thompson, steph curry or kemba walker

There was also a chair shot to the head. Not direct shot, but could have ended bad

I think the HHH in the title match clause is to make things a little more unpredictable. Because as of last week, I can pretty much guarantee DB is winning the first match. But I think DB is still going to win this match, given what HHH said Monday. It really sucks if they have two matches at WM that you can guarantee the outcome.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Mar 18, 2014 -> 11:17 AM) Has Phil Jackson ever constructed a roster? I suppose he can learn from Michael Jordan on how to go about building a franchise. That's really besides the point. The question is whether Melo trust Phil's ability enough to stay in New York. He's already called this move a "power" move, and said he will do whatever Phil says to win a championship. And for the record, PJax definitely has more experience managing a roster than Jordan ever had.