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I personally am higher on Laureano than Bailey, but both are intriguing. While Bailey is a full year younger and has great eye, Laureano plays CF. I’d be interested to hear more on their defensive profile.

Escobar is correct. I thought it was pretty clear it was current player lol.

Years ago there was a light hitting IF in the Sox farm who hit only 14 Hrs in over 2,400 plate appearances. He went on to hit 20+ hrs each of the last 3 seasons.

Thompson and Dalquist will likely pitch 10 innings at rookie ball and start at Low A next season.

That's how cheap organizations are ran.

Would Collins be the backup catcher in that scenario? If not, I don't see why we shouldn't try him at 1B and move Abreu to DH long term. Dont think Collins would be a downgrade from Jose in terms of defense.

He’s turning 18 in 2 months, Jr finished the season at A- when he was this age. It’s more of stating the obvious at this point, I also hope people didn’t seriously think we could strike again with another Tatis.

Early return is the young Tatis isn’t the elder Tatis.

Usually they are pretty close, Rodon would get less than expected, but McCann would be getting more. I don’t see that number move too much either direction. With all the Pre-Arb and arb costs, and potentially bringing back Abreu, that money dries up pretty quickly.

BBRef. Arbs for Yolmer, Rodon, Colome, Leury and McCann are costly, assuming they all come back.

Including Pre-arb and arb they’re at $55M, the difference between this guy and a vet arm is likely at least $10M a year for the next 4 years, money we could spend elsewhere. If the cost here is a couple of guys outside of Top 10 and that frees us money for us to legitimately go after Cole or JDM, sign me up.

I won’t pass a high probability double if that is there, that is what Madrigal and Vaughn are, not your 6+ WAR players but 3 WAR is a fairly obtainable with their profiles. Had these two not been there I think Sox would have been picking higher upside high risk picks, e.g. Abrams.

Shitty definition to fit an argument and not a game I want to play, since the difference between a ground out and a single is almost as high as single and an HR.

Nice try, but very different probabilities. The probability of hitting an HR through the draft is much lower than in the game of baseball as you’re trying to force together an analogy. In that case I would rather have 3 singles or a double and a single than trying to hit an HR every single time where the probability is much lower. MLB draft is where if you’re constantly hitting singles or doubles, you’re doing better than 95% of the league.

Like I said, who cares about BABIP if he has skills to be a .300 hitter? You’re overthinking this shit for no apparent reason and it’s making you sound like a troll. Someone could be a .300 hitter with a .310 BABIP and others could be a .300 hitter if they are hitting .350 in BABIP. Both are sustainable depending on their skill set. Madrigal is the first outcome.

I find it ironic that you mentioned earlier average career WAR for top 5 picks are 5-7 WAR and it’s a relatively good bet both Madrigal and Vaughn will exceed those marks yet you’re still not happy. It’s perfectly fine to pick the low risk/medium reward type when they’re available, given how hard it is to even produce a single MLB’er in the draft. Constantly pushing for the high risk/high reward type regardless of other players that are available is such a meatball fan post.

Then you don’t know what BABIP is really used for. While it’s true league average BABIP is around .300, it is also heavily dependent on the player’s skill set where a swing to either side of the scale would still make it sustainable. It is best used to compare a player’s performance from year to year whether then looking at the number in isolation and making assumptions based on it. So arguing Madrigal is going to have a low BABIP literally means rat’s ass because it doesn’t suggest he couldn’t sustain .300 BA with a low BABIP. For the record, it isn’t a stretch to imagine Nicky could enjoy a higher BABIP than you suggest as the lowest outcome for BABIP is a medium hit line drive, follow by softly hit LD, which he’s fairly capable of doing.

You have no idea what BABIP is used for do you? BABIP by itself does not tell you anything about a player (unless it’s abnormally high or low). And it literally doesn’t matter that he’s a .300 hitter with a low BABIP, as long as he’s a .300 hitter.

Who gives a rat’s ass about BABIP if it is sustainable with his skill set?

Let’s see, you want to pick players that has power AND positional versatility (and good hit tool too, really) and is going to pan out (since you b****ed about 1st round picks not panning out). On top of that, a player who does turn out to be Ichiro or Miggy is a failure. You’re really more delusional than Greg sometimes.

Vaughn has power and Madrigal has GG caliber positional versatility, and has 2 or more plus tools.

No. He was giving Nick credit for taking the BPA with the Madrigal and Vaughn yet you’re trashing those picks. You complain about not having any players pan out from a draft yet also b****es about picks that will almost surely pan out. So which one is it? Look this isn’t the NBA where the best players are always pick inside the top 5 so trying to critical of not taking the high ceiling/high risk type is just dumb. There is nothing wrong with taking a perennial 3 WAR player with a top 5 pick.

If Robert had shown better plate discipline and more track record for success, he’d be in consideration. Right now it’s pretty much unanimous Franco is #1.

Same. It’s a thought but having Robert in CF would allow us to fully utilize his talent.

I don’t think he’s played RF professionally and his arm grades out to only average. Robert OTOH has a cannon and could slide to RF. I think Benitendi is passable at CF.