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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 02:23 PM) Whatever it was, they obviously weren't going to spend it. This guy got $1.35 million to sign. Hopefully he is a late bloomer. So that's almost Adolfo money. Still a young guy. Even if he doesn't improve discipline, if he could develop double digit pop while staying at short, he could be an interesting B or C level prospect.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:35 PM) He really has no business still being down in the AZL. Skoug is defying logic, still has a BABIP of 1.000 after 15 plate appearances. You think he can keep it up?

I hope Hahn's starting price was Mookie Betts

Sucks for him but it's not the worst thing in the world for the team. He's pretty close to majors anyways but we aren't competing for the next year and a half. This only delays his service time to align more with the younger guys.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) But it's not baseball, windows are so much shorter in the NBA unless you're the Spurs or have Lebron. You basically have to wait out the current crop of prime superstars that all are willing to take less money to play with their buddies and hope the next crop isn't like that. Why does it matter? It's not like anyone would know if and where the free agents will join up next. We're just speculating if a team would be good in the future. What if the Celtics become like the Warriors, growing superstars through draft behind great coaching system, and a superstar actually flees his home team and join up with them. Celtics themselves could be a good landing spot for ring chasers in a few years.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) Heyward just signed a 4 year deal and Horford has 3 left. Horford's already 31. Their window is within the next 2 years if those guys and Thomas are their big three. Brown is going into his second year and Tatum will be going into their first. Even if both guys end up being all-star caliber, it's going to be 3-4 seasons before they get there. If they aren't in win-now mode, then I'm not sure what Ainge is doing. It makes no sense spending money on Horford, Heyward and presumably Thomas if they are planning to wait another 2-3 seasons to really go for it. I don't disagree that they missed a golden opportunity with PG and Butler. Heck I even posted about it last week. It's just that they have so many young assets and picks stockpiled that they will likely be good for a long time.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 12:03 PM) They're not useless, but they're not as valuable. Celtics need veterans to round out their roster. They don't need prospects with upside. They're in win-now mode, not win 3 seasons from now. I think Ainge is making a mistake not cashing in his assets. You don't have to empty the shelf, but it's head scratching that he wouldn't trade one of those lottery picks for a legit star. If you're a Celtics fan, wouldn't you rather have Jimmy Butler over Tatum? I would. I disagree. Celtics by no means are in win now. Thomas and Horford aren't declining soon and they by no means are irreplaceable. They just were a rebuilding team that got better sooner than they expected. I think in Ainge's mind, Celtics' window is whenever they materialize their picks and Lebron starts to decline.

Ghengis Hahn has pillaged the local village this time.

It is an absolutely original joke I by no means stole from elsewhere on this forum. Oh it's true, it's damn true.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 10:04 PM) Anyone know why Moncada got pulled in the 9th inning and Bueno had to finish his at bat? Traded for $3.5M cash.

Gavin Sheets not showing a lot of power yet, but only 1 K in the first 41 plate appearances, I will take it!

The fact that we may end up trading Rodon just makes me sad. We had Sale, the best starter in AL, Quintana, the most underrated pitcher in the game, and Rodon, the most hyped college pitcher since Strasburg and we end up having to trade every one of them because we failed to be competitive. I remember when Rodon was drafted, we drooled over a 1-2-3 combination of Sale, Rodon and Quintana, and that it would give us one of the best rotations in the game. But we failed to finish above .500 even once.

Pitcher Starts IP/Start WAR K% BB% K-BB% Strike% IF/FB% HR/FB% Fastball (mph) Jose Quintana 96 6.3 13.9 22% 6% 16% 64% 11% 9% 91.8 Jon Lester 97 6.3 13.4 25% 6% 19% 64% 10% 11% 91.8 Found this on Fangraphs. They're basically the same pitcher the past 3 years. Lester gets more K for being in NL. Yet one has long been considered by many one of the top 5 left handers in the game and the other is a #3 starter. Gotta love advanced statistics in baseball.

i would not trust any publication that would rank Skoug in its top 100.

It's crazy to say that the Sox 11-20 may be better than some teams' top 10. Gone are the days that Nester Molina, Jared Mitchell, or even Carson Fulmer was our #1 prospect.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) What they're also doing is positioning themselves to have players, in a best case scenario, to fill every spot on the diamond. The odds of a best case scenario are slim to none. They'll have an idea after 2018 where they can splurge in free agency. Jon Lester signed with the Cubs after a season in which they went 73-89. I think the Sox will be active in free agency following next season, so long as the right pieces are on the market. Agreed. In the 2017/18 class Hosmer may be the only player I would go near as a long term. I suspect we should make a couple of savvy buy low signings and flip by the deadline to continue building the farm. But boy, the 2018/19 class... Harper and Kershaw are pipedreams but at the same time I wouldn't go after for various reasons. But we may have enough room to get both Machado and/or AJ Pollock. Adding two stars in their prime to an already deep group of young players, this team could be the favorite in this division for the 5 years after that.

QUOTE (joejoedairy @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) I think we'll have a fun and competitive year next season as the young guys come up and start to contribute but fall short of the playoffs. But I think we'll be in the playoffs in 2019 I think we will be good (slightly better than the .500 mark) by 2019, but to be a playoff team then, we either need to sign a couple of high profile free agents, or a couple of the young guys develop into stars by then.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 07:00 AM) Bell would've been a nice keep to see what he can do on a team like the Bulls but Jesus guys. It's the fn Summer League. Poor man's Draymond? This is madness. Undersized and mobile defender and plays with incredible energy. This type of players excel in the right system. He also gets to play in a warriors system that will certain help him develop shooting and passing skills. Plus gets to learn from Draymond himself.

We now have plenty of exciting young players throughout the system, which is freshing given the state of the franchise as recent has 12 months ago. But the players aren't all on the same timeline, and by the time the lower level guys reach the majors, some of the young guys on the big league might be traded or leaves via FA. Given that, when do you think the Sox could be competitive again (and ideally making splash in FA to supplement our farm)? I've broken down each year by not the prospects arriving, but the year that they would likely start making impact. I didn't research the FA crop for each upcoming year, but if we land a big fish like Machado in an offseason, it will definitely accelerate the rebuild. Core young players currently on ML team: Rodon, Anderson, Avi?, and perhaps one of Davidson, Saladino, Sachez, and Leury 2018 - Moncada, Lopez, Delmonico 2019 - Kopech, Burdi, Giolito, and Fulmer, Guerrero, Stephens 2020 - Robert, Collins, Adams, Burger, Jimenez, Cease, Hansen, Dunning 2021 - Seth Beer, Adolfo, Flores, Nunez, others

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 11:09 PM) Pretty sure the first BA mock draft had Sox taking Happ, and IIRC had Sox taking Judge and Trout also IIRC, it was Keith Law who had us drafting Trout. Jared Mitchell wasn't even in his first round mock, where as BA had Mitchell go way before the Sox picks.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 05:59 PM) Yeah but what could that 3.5 million turn into? We don't know what happens with the money. But it clearly shows that this team does not have a good rebuilding strategy, or does not even have a strategy at all.

I am afraid he could turn into a poor man's Draymond Green.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:46 PM) What does opening 1B do to help OF slots? Zavala or Collins can rotate C and take up 1B to open up DH. Or a weaker defense OF'er can take up 1B as well.

Most likely send Telvin Nash to AA to make 1B open. Speaking of Dickman, he's been cursed since moving out of the 9 hole.

Our only move outside of Butler trade was bringing back Holiday. Teams like the Nets are taking on salary for draft picks. Bulls still are roughly $28 mil under cap even with Wade's deadweight contract are idly standing by. Can someone go wake Gar up?