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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 07:03 PM) Give me Saladino over Johnson and, as backups, give me Leury and Sanchez over Johnson since they can both play more than 1 position. The only way Johnson would make sense is if you've moved both Frazier and Lawrie, leaving 2 gaps open for tryouts. Leury and Sanchez had way too many chances, they will be career backups or AAAA players, and they won't be backups for our next playoff team. Micah only has 100 AB's or so in the big leagues, way too early to write him off, and IIRC he's a notoriously slow starter and takes a while to adjust to the league level. With him, at least if you give him a season to prove himself, he might turn out to be something you can get value out of.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 8, 2017 -> 03:06 PM) Paulo Orlando spent seven seasons in the minors. Chris Carter is awful. Chris Young had one good year and would be ripped alive here for the entire span of his career. If we're counting those guys, then we might as well count Semien, Viciedo, Trayce, Beckham, etc. My point isn't that these are great players, but rather we could not develop hitters and some players have seemingly gotten better after they left our org. In fact, as unspectacular as Chris Young has been, I believe he has the highest WAR of any position prospects that were drafted or signed by us in the last 15 years.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 8, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) Yeah, that's probably a good call. And beyond our organization's weakness with development, Micker has lost a ton of time due to injuries. Regardless, it still makes me sick seeing those other two names shoot up the rankings while Adalfo's prospect status sours. It sucks, but what's new? This franchise has been cursed in developing hitters. We have not developed one single position player in the last 16 years. It's really an incredible feat when you come to think about it and how many good hitters has played in the MLB in that time span, and none of those were developed by the Sox. It also hurts to see some of our mid tier prospects got traded away and found success with another org, guys like Chris Young, Chris Carter, and Paulo Orlando, maybe we'll even be sour with Tatis Jr. a few years down the road.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 11:01 PM) I absolutely love this signing. He's young and full of potential. No thanks. He's terrible at everything except for base stealing. Speed will decline as he turns 30. He could seriously make Jimmy Rollins look like Carlos Correa.

Write in for Dylan Covey?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 06:29 PM) I really liked Omega-Okada(Kenny is a madman) but the first half of it was really slow. It was a great match but there's been better imo just in this past year let alone of all time. I respect Meltzer a lot and he's the best at what he does but despite what he says it certainly does seem like he has some sort of bias towards stuff in Japan. And I think Kenny just knows how to build his brand. I have no problem continuing to watch him do his thing in NJPW but I'm sure if WWE made him the right offer he'd jump. Rumor has it that WWE has made him several offers already. Omega is a quirky dude, doesn't seem like he's after the money, and he LOVES Japan, so I don't see him jumping to WWE anytime soon, which most people are fine with.

What I want to know is how Moncada after coming off 2016 would fare in a top prospects list from years past. This year's list is kind of meh for me, Benintendi, Swanson and Torres are high-floor prospects, projected to be solid to great players, not superstars. In fact, Moncada might be the only MVP ceiling player from that group.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) Are you suggesting Giannis is undeserving? QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 04:08 PM) Giannis is 2nd in the leauge in PER, behind Westbrook. No idea how / where Westbrook is on this list? Giannis is totally deserving. Embiid is an all star, but probably shouldn't be that high. Jimmy 6th actually seems relatively reasonable to me, although I don't have Love & Melo ahead of him, but Durant/Westbrook/Harden should be ahead of Butler and Steph arguably could be as well. By the way, that is purely from an all star perspective and who is deserving based upon production (not at all going who is the better player). I think Giannis is deserving, my vote for East front court would be Lebron, Giannis, then Jimmy. Giannis is having a great season, but he has over 500k votes right now playing in one of the smallest markets in the league, while Jimmy only has 190K, playing for the team that leads the league in attendance. The margin shouldn't be that wide. EDIT: what I listed was East front court votings only, these players you mentioned all have over 500k votes, again suggesting that Jimmy doesn't get a lot of love around the league.

First return for the all star ballot and Jimmy is only 6th, behind Lebron, Giannis, Embiid, Love and Melo. Are Giannis and Embiid getting a lot of votes from their home countries like Zaza?

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 12:27 PM) Since we don't know how prospects will fare in the big leagues (or if they will ever make it up), this info shows what similarly ranked prospects have turned out to be as major league players. We don't know how Reynaldo Lopez will do over time...but we do know that Carlos Martinez was once ranked #38 on this list and he turned out to be a solid pitcher with the Cardinals. Not directly comparing Lopez to Carlos Martinez, but it's a idea of the type of player someone who is ranked #38 could turn into as a major leaguer. Obviously there are plenty of outliners, but looking at each sample list, there are at least a couple of really good names and a couple of duds. So if our 6 follows a similar pattern, we could have a similar result. I get what you're trying to do, but you confused yourself when you used MLB rankings and called it BA Top 100 rankings, then compared the rankings to historic BA rankings. You have to take into account that prospects rank very differently across publications, depending how their staff evaluates prospect tools and performances. Take Chris Carter example. He was ranked #11 by Baseball Prospectus in 2010 and #30 (despite having a poor showing in 2010) in 2011, while only ranked #28 and 90 in those two years by BA. So if you want to use current MLB rankings, a fair comparison is historic MLB rankings, not Baseball America's.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) Current mlb.com rankings. I expect Kopech to rise a bit. Lopez to stay about the same. Moncada will still be top 3. Giolito will drop into teens, most likely. My guess is Collins is closer to 50 than 80. So the OP did a benchmark of current MLB rankings against historic BA Top 100 rankings? It still doesn't make sense.

Not sure where you got your rankings from, but those ranks will change quite a bit when the official list drops next month.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 05:32 PM) Yes. Pax talks about the lack of athleticism, and they can't shoot threes? Hoiberg sucks, but the problem goes higher up the flag pole. GarPax has already brought you Vinnie Del Negro and Hoiberg. I think if a new coach is the plan, it might be a good idea to let someone else make the decision, after all the coach they did pick who won coach of the year, they didn't like. If Hoiberg is let go, I don't expect the next coach they bring in to last long. The team has no identity, they're not great offensively or defensively. They're not contending or rebuilding. They're just a bunch of ill-fitting players wearing the same colored uniform. Heck, you can bring in Popovich and they still won't get past the second round. Unfortunately in the NBA there is no easy way to get out of mediocrity. We could sit here and hope Wade does not opt out and against all odds recruits Blake Griffin to the Bulls this off season. Even then, we're still missing a piece or two. It's time to start preparing for the rebuild. How fast/well they can rebuild all depends the brain power of the FO. I don't even trust the brains of GarPax enough to manage my fantasy team, let alone rebuilding the team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 04:52 PM) 670 The Score ‏@670TheScore 36m36 minutes ago Report: Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg is on the hot seat. http://cbsloc.al/2imrm1W While I do think we can do better than Hoiberg, we're right about where I thought this roster would take us. More people should be on the hot seat, but it's the Bulls and Reinsdorf.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) O posted this in the other thread, but the Sox could offer (theoretically) Quintana + Moncada + Giolito + One more of our top prospects (Kopech/Lopez/Collins) For Trout 25 year old Mantle is enticing, but the risk he gets hurt and the deal blows up on you is too high. A big NO from me. It's one player, who cost $120M for the next 4 years. You essentially give up Q, Sale, and Eaton, who are all on affordable contracts just to get him.

QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 06:28 AM) I'm calling Cena gets #16 at Rumble in front of 70,000. It reminds me of when Rock beat Punk because they wanted Rock vs Cena 2 at Mania for title. I think they want Cena vs Taker for title at Mania 33. Just a gut feeling. I could see that, but I think there's a higher chance it would be a Triple Threat between the 3 at WM. There isn't anyone else on the SD roster could deserves to face AJ at WM if he's left out of the SD main event. (Unless they call up Joe or Nakamura, reviving their feuds at TNA and NJPW)

QUOTE (brett05 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 08:50 AM) I went both nights. The best part was taking my daughters for their first. They loved it. My ten year old made her own chant....New Day Rocks and Snowcones. Was pretty cute. The crowd is mental chanting for CM Punk. We countered with "He's a Quitter!" Stephanie nailed the CM Punk chanters with her comment. Cena got more cheers than boos both nights. (Raw during return promos). Braun was the whole Raw entertainment. And that was better than Smackdown. Baron Corbin can't wrestle or do two punches without a prolonged break. He gets winded too fast. That was one of the worst matches I had ever seen. The tag title change was super weak too. But man does the Chicago crown love Randy Orton. I felt the same way about the tag titles. I don't like how they handled those belts the past few weeks. I get that they want to build up Bray so it was the right move to have them take the belts. But Slater and Rhyno were pretty over at the time, so just have them bend over and give up the belts without much of a fight was weak and just destroyed those two. Then you strip Wyatts of the belt after 3 weeks, and have one of your top superstars in the past 15 years pinned after just one German is also a weak finish.

Cena loses to AJ in RR, then one last rematch for Cena (title vs career or whatever) at WM and Cena wins his 16th title. I'm calling it.

It was awesome when the crowd boo'd when Cena tried to start a Go Cubs Go chant. Guessing we got some Sox fans at SD tonight

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 24, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Todd Frazier on the open market would get how much per year? If EE is a $20 million player, Frazier is probably in the $12 to 15 million range, tops? His arb estimate this year is $13.5 million. He is a one dimensional hitter, who had by far his worst year defensively. He put up big negatives in UZR and Range factor. He even put up a Dwar that was negative by two wins. That would make him a one dimensional player. I think you know that UZR could be extremely volatile from year to year. Since he had a positive UZR for the past 4 years at 3B, and based on my eye test, he still fairly capable defensively at 3B, I think it's very likely he'd have a bounce back year next season, at least from a defensive metrics stand point.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:36 PM) The problem is those guys have about zero surplus value. I don't think teams operate solely under surplus value philosophy (let's get into the Shelby Miller trade). The marginal upgrade they get in return plays a bigger role IMO. Take Robertson for example, closers rarely have any surplus value, but there are always teams in the market for them. Robertson may as well be the best closer available right now. If I am a contending team and in need of a closer, I'd give Robertson a serious look. For Frazier, while he certainly has surplus value, there are also teams who do not take WAR as a bible, and the 35 HR power, the above average defense he could play at third, and his locker room presence fits many needs for them.

The guys I want to trade NOW are Melky, Frazier, and Robertson. While they may have more of a market in July, their trade value won't be significantly higher. I don't think it's far fetched that each of these guys could get you at least 2 Top 10-20 prospects from other team's system. I'd much rather see us take this route then give the open spots to reclamation projects than roll out serviceable veterans who aren't part of the long term plan. Last thing we need is to finish in the 6-10 range again and settle for a 2nd tier prospect in the next draft. One guy I think we can sign and potentially flip at the deadline is Michael Saunders. Perhaps we can get him for 1/$10M deal (though there is a solid market for him right now). Luke Hochevar and Nick Hundley could be worth the gamble for short term deals as well. Grant Green is another guy who's a former top prospect, .300 hitter his entire minor league career. Ruby De La Rosa is a hard thrower, who could start or develop into a strong setup man. Start season with C - Narvaez/Hundley 1B - Abreu/Davidson 2B - Lawrie/Sanchez SS - Anderson/Sanchez 3B - Saladino/Davidson/Grant Green LF - Saunders/Green CF - Tilson/Lirano RF - Liriano/Avi DH - Avi/Green Rotation 1. Rodon 2. Shields 3. Migo 4. Holland 5. De La Rosa/Lopez This team should not win you a lot of games. If we end up winning more, that most likely means we hit homeruns with several of these guys. Come July, I think we should see significantly bigger market for Abreu, Jones, Holland and maybe even Lawrie.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) Total pipe dream here = That farm system would be absolutely locked and loaded to compete in the next few years Add in some other shrewd moves and/or free agent signings and you are looking at a playoff team if things go well 1) Rodon 2) Glasnow 3) Giolito 4) Kopech 5) Lopez Pen arm possibilities (or other starters): Burdi, Dunning, Stephens, Adams, Fulmer, Hansen, Clark, Cooper C- Collins (fingers crossed) 1B - Bell 2B - Moncada and/or Newman SS - Anderson 3B - MACHADO OF- Meadows OF- Basabe OF- BEER DH - ABREU As a Sox fan you can dream of a scenario like this... That roster projection is totally loaded Banking on all your top prospects to pan out is a fun but dangerous proposition.

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:49 PM) He's always looked out of shape to me. I expect improvement in his stats this year, but I don't know if he can ever be an ace if he doesn't focus more on his body. Have you seen CC or Bartolo Colon lately?

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 04:39 PM) .310 BA, .330 OBP, .471 SLG, 17 HRs, 37 2Bs, 8 3Bs, 103 runs, 23 SBs. Yep. I came in here to be the party pooper and put up some turd of a slash line, and instead I turned him into a borderline superstar. With defense like last year, what's this, 6 WAR or so? Well, optimism's kinda fun. Very similar to what I expected from Gordon Beckham heading into his second year (except slightly more power and less speed). I know where that optimism has gotten me with our positional players