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QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 9, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) Season from hell, highlighted perfectly by this weekend. Arrieta has become the best pitcher in the city. LOL

It's there's one skill we have abundance of in the system, it's definitely speed. Can you imagine if we end up with Alvarez at 3B, Anderson at SS l, Micah at 2B, Engel at CF, and May at LF. All those guys have the chance to steal 40 bases a year!

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 01:34 PM) Any thoughts on Cody Winiarski? If I remember right, he was a bit of a prospect, almost died or something, then tried coming back last year and sucked. Anyways his numbers are terrific again. WHIP under 1, and the elite strikeout numbers that have been associated with him at every level. He's bit old for AA at 25 but also understandable given his pprevious injury. I think the illness was back in 2012. He's been healthy for 3 years now and been pitching in basically the same level since then. I will put him as one of those guys who had been a reliever since the low minor leagues and is a long shot from being anyone good in the majors.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 06:58 PM) He's not learning a new pitch. He had the changeup in college as well, he just didn't need it much just as he arguably doesn't need it much here (though it certainly would be a long term difference maker). His problem is chiefly fastball command and this is the level where he is most likely to improve it. He could get better command in the minors, but this is the level where hitters are most likely to punish you for your mistakes. When a guy has stuff like Carlos does, he needs to pitch against big talent or his mistakes may not get exposed. Developing, as opposed to learning, if you really want to get down to the specifics. I want to see how much of a leash you all are giving him before sending him down. If we're in a rebuilding situation, then I wouldn't mind giving longer leash. But we had the going-for-it mentality since Day 1, and we are still in the race at this point. At some point, you gotta take a step back and evaluate whether it's best of both world to bring up EJ and let Rodon develop down in the minors instead.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 01:31 PM) For his first couple starts he threw 0 changeups, so not using it much is clearly deliberate. He's working it in more with time, but he doesn't have it every game just yet. And he'd have a lot more opportunities and margin of error to work on that pitch in Triple A if given a proper game plan. Personally, I think it's silly to let a pitcher learn a new pitch on the fly in the big leagues, especially if he's only a 2-pitch pitcher so far, it would do damage to his confidence if he struggles, and I think the team will wants to go after the WC spot.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) He had a bad game. He has had several very good games. He needs to throw strikes and attack the hitters. When he walks folks then he gets in trouble. Possibly based on the logic thrown out there we should send Sale down because he hasn't been all that sharp since the All-Star break and seven days off LOL. That's quite a strawman right there. If Chris Sale wasn't an established pitcher, only pitched 30 total innings in the minors, has serious control issues, and is only a 2 pitcher starting pitcher, then yea I'd say send him down, otherwise it's a totally different deal. Yea sure, Sale was a quick riser too, but he got a chance to work on his stuff in the pen for 2 years, and he should be the exception, not the rule. Carlos has been struggling for a while now, it isn't just one bad game last night. 4 out of his past 6 starts were pretty bad outings. I'd say it's time to bail him out and let him develop a bit more in the minors.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) I'd say it's much more likely to get solved in the big leagues. In the minors his stuff is so overwhelming that people will expand the zone to defend against it. In the big leagues, the hitters have caught up and you can't overwhelm them with stuff. You have to throw strikes or you won't succeed. In the minors there are ways around that. Oh, and EJ will have the same issue when he comes up. You have a solid point, but that's not to say that pitchers couldn't harness their control in the minors. Furthermore, Rodon in the minors walked 17 batters in 34 innings, so it isn't as if this is only an issue in the big leagues. I think the bigger issue is his changeup is a below average, show-me pitch at the moment. Looking at his splits, opponents have an OPS of over 1.000 and wRC+ of 199 on his changeup. RH hitters have an OPS of nearly .900 against him, that just tells me that without a effective changeup, he will continue to struggle in the big leagues. Given the margin for error is a lot smaller in the big leagues, I think he's trying to avoid that pitch as much as possible. It will be interesting to get some insider info on whether throwing only 8% changeup is by design, or that he just doesn't have confidence in that pitch. All in all, it would be best if he's given the chance to work on this pitch in the minors.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) Rodons problem is he has to throw strikes consistently. Does that get solved in AAA as opposed to the Majors? I don't see the difference. Even if he could throw strikes, he couldn't survive facing ML hitters 3 times by just throwing fastball and sliders. All in all, he was far from a finished product and was rushed up. Now that EJ is having the best stretch of his career and Shark is staying, I think the move makes sense.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 07:58 AM) If the moment a rookie struggles he needs to be sent to the minors, there wouldn't be a league. He was awesome the outing before last and has had the typical rookie struggles. He is workimg with Coop on his change up. No need to send him down, and no need to think Johnson would be any better. His good starts are far and few in between now and era is over 6.50 in the past month, this isn't "the moment he struggles" type of situation like you're saying. Johnson was our #1 prospect at one point, and he looks to be back to his normal self now. He gives us a better chance to win right now IMO.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 07:21 AM) I think he'd dominate AAA hitters and not develop the change up at the same time. I'm going to trust the White sox with pitching He would do that if his goal is to make it to the majors as fast as he could. But often times, minor league pitchers are also given instructions to work on specific pitch, this would be one of those scenarios.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 04:02 AM) Typical overreaction thread. Care to discuss? Right from the start, most people felt that he could have spent a couple more months in the minors. His WHIP has been in the 1.50 range for 2 months now. His walk rate is absurd, and he's a two pitch starter with poor command on those pitches and no confidence in his third pitch. Throw in the fact that EJ is ready for a promotion, and now with Shark staying, we have the luxury of letting Rodon develop a bit more in the minors. So no, I don't think this is based on overreaction to one particular start.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 03:41 AM) I'd be okay with it cause it's obvious he needs work, but I think it's a confidence thing. I say let him stay but put him in the bullpen or go with six starters now that shuck is hurt. I think sending him to triple a would set his development back further mentally. It's hard to assume that such a move would set him back mentally, everybody reacts differently to this. Take EJ for example, he's regained his confidence and velocity in the minors. I think Rodon himself is aware that he needs work, and working on those areas in the minors would be more ideal. As long as you tell him that he's only a good changeup away from being a good major leaguer and that he would be called back up if he improves on that pitch, I think he should be fine. QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 04:27 AM) what does scott boras say? Unless he demands a trade, I don't think there is anything he could do. I also don't think he has extra incentive to let his client explode in the big leagues when he could clearly use more work in the minors.

Adam LaRoche the LOOGY anyone?

This isn't overreacting on just tonight's start. Since we're keeping Shark for now and EJ is ready for another big league stint, we should let Rodon go back to the minors and work on his changeup and command. You can't survive in the big leagues throwing 93% FB and slider with terrible command. I think the move benefits us both in the short term and long term.

Not too disappointed. I am glad need didn't trade Anderson/Danish/Adams for Cespedes. What are the chances of us trading Shark by 8/31 deadline if we're out of it?

Hopefully he will be THE Carlos Perez that people think of in the big leagues 10 years from now. He's been my sleeper guy for most of the season now. He could be an above average to good catcher defensively, and his ability to put the bat on the ball is remarkable, only 12 K's in almost 240 PA's dating back to last year. Looking forward to seeing him in Great Fall next year.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 08:39 PM) Nice of you to comment after he allows two runs that inning. I was referring to this game, because up to the point in which I commented, he was looking rather sharp. I think Fathom originally mentioned post ASB. I don't know why this is debatable.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 08:29 PM) Have you been watching the game? It is now 18 innings, 26 hits, and 20 K's. I think not very sharp is fairly accurate.

Not over the great Carlos Correa, but I do agree it's a shame. He has the tools, hopefully his instincts get better over time.

Love the fact that Micah's SB success rate is increasing at a higher level. He's not running like a loose cannon like he used to, and hopefully better techniques and getting a better read on opposing pitchers also play part in it.

If I am not mistaken, you can also use the slot savings on undrafted players? I wouldn't want to sign a kid just for the sake of signing a kid and he's the only one available.

20 pitches in 2 innings for Arrieta. Probably a CG coming at this rate.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) That's why our starters....don't. Allow. Runs. At. All. If defense can keep playing at this rate, shades of the 2014 Royals maybe?

Worst offense in the league. If starters allow more than 3 runs, we are bound to lose any game.

Ynoa should be eligible for Rule 5 this year. I think the org would like to see how he adjusts to AA before putting him on the 40 man.