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I mean at some point the hitting coach has to get canned for this

Just a bit outside

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 10:49 PM) I want Ventura, Hahn, and Williams fired in the offseason.First priority for the new front office is to find a decent catcher and center fielder. See how things are this time next year. Start to sell then if things are still looking bleak. You think Hahn and Williams are doing a good job and don't deserve any criticism. Do I have that right? Well if you could actually take some time to read my posts you would realize how stupid your last sentence is.

I mean if your going to do a rebuild you need to do it right. They have to fire atleast Rick Hahn. Get a whole new scouting staff/GM in here. Then that's when you trade players. After they've done their work. You dont trade them when this front office has very questionable scouting going on clearly. Getting the Sale trade wrong could definitely cause this team to move. That's how serious it is. It sets them up for 5+ years down the line. But do any of you actually think they are going to give up on this season? Robin's job is on the line. Maybe Rick Hahn's. You think they are going to stop fighting? They might as well pack their bags if they trade Q. They are going to get fired if that's their plan. Hell I bet JR fires Hahn before he could even make a trade of that magnitude.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 10:37 PM) 100% sell mode on everyone but Sale and rookies. Great let's hold Sale hostage while the Titanic sinks.

I'll repeat again....so everyone is mad with the team Rick Hahn assembled. But you want him to make the most important trade in franchise history. One that may decide if we are competitive in five years or go 20 years without winning. Do I have that right?

So the plan now is to trade everyone and sell the team to Portland?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 09:22 PM) I don't think we have much choice. JR won't fire anyone. This group isn't getting it done. Better to try and rebuild than waste years of Sale, Q, etc and have nothing to show for it. Except there is a choice. Dont do it. Your better off milling around in the middle than letting Rick Hahn/Kenny Williams trade any of the high profile guys. You dont trust their scouting fine I get it. But you cant have it both ways and then let them try and scout minor league players for potentially the most important trade in franchise history.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 09:17 PM) They're already f***ing losing. What's it matter?! No playoff appearance since 2008. I agree this doesn't equate to more wins but stock piling young talent maybe more beneficial than this s***. So here's the question and this is for everyoen who wants to sell. This management cant build a roster. But you want to give them the keys to a full rebuild? Or is your objective to get them to move?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 09:16 PM) Oh that's bulls***. I want them to win until they're eliminated. But I want them to sell because this way isn't getting it done. Can Hahn rebuild moving the main core? I'm not so sure. But I'm over this missing the playoffs being mediocre s***. I'm tired of half ass roster retools. I'd rather be excited knowing guys like Moncada, Benintendi, etc are coming up. To be honest, the most exciting things with the sox now are prospects being called up. This team f***ing sucks. Being shutout again. This scoreless inning streak against s*** opponents is embarrassing. Shame on this organization. I'll be here to root them on but I'm over this fools gold. Oh the hyperbole is ripe today

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) Come on dude, you're better than this. I want the team to win every single night, but that doesn't mean I can't be objective. We're 4.5 games out of a playoff spot and have some serious holes on our roster with limited chips to fill them. While I'm starting to lean towards selling, it definitely doesn't mean I want them to lose. The two have nothing to do with one another. They will lose if they sell. For maybe a long time. Trading Sale doesnt = winning baseball. Really trading anyone on the roster doesnt equate to more wins. Not in the near future and potentially long term future.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 09:01 PM) Doesn't mean people want them to lose if they think they should be sellers. Oh give me a break. Those two directly coincide with each other

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 08:55 PM) Is anyone wanting them to lose yet on here? Haven't seen that yet. Doesn't mean many on here don't think they can compete with the top AL teams the rest of the way and selling should be a legit option in two weeks. Did you not see the game thread yesterday? Or did you just gloss over the " Sell!!!" posts?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 08:53 PM) He's the last person we want seeing make mistakes He helps the losing effort so it's all good right?

There Tim is making mistakes. Mistakes and losing = "happy" people on here

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 08:48 PM) Why, they were shifted to where the 3B was playing closer to short He's slower than hell and I think we've learned this year. Bunting with this offense = probably not a good idea

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 08:46 PM) Trying bro get on base Even if he bunted he's getting thrown out

Glad he wasted a strike on the bunt attempt

I mean if Austin Jackson is going to be out for more time they need to trade for somebody.

Shuck's DRS just went to -6

Get them tomorrow

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 15, 2016 -> 11:01 PM) I still cannot grasp why garcia is the dh over saladino. He should be in AAA

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2016 -> 10:11 PM) If Abreu has good trade value, we should drive him to the airport. Oh christ. Spread your misery somewhere else please. Plenty of other teams will be tanking and rebuilding for a long time.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 15, 2016 -> 10:09 PM) I'd rather watch a 60 win team with potential than this. Good for you. Go watch the Braves. See how great their fortune is. They were supposed to be competing next year. The Rockies have been in perpetual rebuild mode for years.

Get rid of Q,Sale and Abreu...Let's suck for 20 years so we can complain about how bad the team is 24/7! It'll be great!