Baron

I hope we trade him before his next start on Tuesday if we do. Plus it looks like Price is off the market.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:42 PM) He's more responsible for Abreu than anyone else other than JR. As for Hahn, virtually very single move over the last two seasons hasn't worked very well, other than dealing Peavy, and the Garcia part of that is at best a dubious proposition from here on out. Eaton for Santiago is probably a wash, at best, right now. Davidson, Bonifacio, Keppinger, Beckham, Downs, Blowasavio, Paulino, etc. The only player who has performed close to his contract this offseason has been Robertson, and that's an argument with two sides that have equally valid claims. If anyone wants to credit Hahn more than KW with drafting Rodon and Fulmer, well, that's up to them. Not exactly nuclear physics. Good post. I mean people complain about Kenny's talent evaluation. Just take a look at that list.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:39 PM) Well he's actually in a position above the General Manager. Unless you meant that GM's generally don't survive, but instead are promoted, this sort of flies in the face of your point, at least from the standpoint of the White Sox organization. I dont think Kenny Williams views it as a promotion actually.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) He's certainly survived much of what you said GM's don't survive. Last I looked he's not the general manager. But maybe he should be.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:33 PM) and how will you fix the holes the sox have. You have to start trading the minor league pitching.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:27 PM) Kenny? What about him?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:23 PM) I don't think the 3-year window is Hahn's window. The 3-year window is their chosen period of time for which they evaluate a given roster. Right and at the end of that if results arent shown they are going to be in big trouble. You cant talk about high expectations,fail and then go oh well. Let's tear it down and you'll have to wait some more. General Managers dont survive that.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:19 PM) Long term, it is more patient. Rick wants to cut bait on this team and keep building towards the future. Kenny probably wants to add to this roster, sacrificing a bit of the future. Hahn has 2 years. Maybe 1 year depending on how things go. If the plan is the 3 year window as has been repeated then the future is really soon. Plus we would of had to sell low on a majority of the guys we've been talking about the past few months. That's not patience. That's cut bait and save face.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:11 PM) Good info, Brian. I don't think that should be a surprise to anyone. We've seen Kenny's approach, which is always focus on improving the big league club in the immediate term. Now we've seen a bit of Hahn's approach, which is essentially develop from the ground up a bit more, be more patient, stay with the process. Does it surprise anyone that these two approaches are a bit at odds with one another? How does selling 3 weeks ago sound like patience? Sounds like Kenny's supposed plan is more patient that what your saying Hahn wanted. In reality Kenny's is working out much better right now.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) Brian Bilek ‏@ChiSoxraBBit 42s42 seconds ago I have been given info that Rick Hahn wanted to sell weeks ago and Williams felt otherwise. Don't let this change that. #StayTheCourse #Sell From one of our own. Yeah I dont believe that for a second.

Nice job Jake

I'm not worried about the Royals and Cueto. I dont think they'll be able to resign him.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:19 PM) Well you mentioned the guy on the bench should play more. Not much we can do with the catching situation from a organizational standpoint for this year at this point. The guy currently starting should be gone completely so not even to tempt Robin because as you pointed out he probably doesnt look at statistics. But I'm not sure Hahn looks at them either.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) Our manager cannot even be bothered to look at the statistics of our relievers - he still just goes with the traditional handedness matchups. You expect him to utilize WAR? I wasnt talking about the manager. Right now it's Rick Hahn's fault that he's still the starting catcher.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:10 PM) They obviously value his catching ability. Hawk, who is basically our fly on the wall, has mentioned several times how Flowers has excelled at handling our starters, which is his "primary responsibility." We just need to accept that and deal with his offensive inadequacies. It isn't something that is going to change until a much better option becomes apparent. That's fine but statistically he's one of the worst catchers in baseball in terms of WAR. We have a catcher behind him who is actually middle of the pack. I think that would qualify as much better option.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) Not sure why some of you get so frustrated by Flowers. I get much more frustrated by the failures of the guys that actually have the ability to be productive. Flowers is what he is, and the more quickly you accept that, the lower your blood pressure will remain. Oh we've accepted it. We just dont know why he keeps getting resigned and starting.

Flowers is pathetic

That was nasty Rodon

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 01:22 PM) Flowers sucks so bad. Well according to greg he's average

Man that was a good throw

More importantly womens volleyball is on

Alexei raising that value

Well played you two haha

I like how Fowler was arguing with the ump after taking a fastball right down the middle.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) I don't think there is a chance in hell they trade Hoffman or Sanchez for a rental This reminds me of the Carlos Martinez for Peavy discussions