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Oh the significant haul talk. Remember that pre Peavy trade talk? Some of the best prospects in baseball. Yeah that's what this sounds like.

Yeah we said the same thing about Alex Rios. If I remember correctly we didnt take on a penny. We got pennies back ofcourse.

I dont think anybody is worried about being first to trade. But we're worried about what Hahn is going to get back if indeed he wants a MLB Ready Player. For Billy that was a pretty good return in prospects. But if your looking for MLB Ready Bats who knows what your going to get back.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) Please don't make me think about that. Sorry that's immediately who I thought of.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) Yes, the A's can wait on people...but if Samardzija couldn't draw a package this good and the White Sox are looking for MLB-ready talent, the conclusion one might come to is that the MLB-ready talent will be even weaker. You thinking someone like Leury Garcia?

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) that is the point. hamels, cueto, price and then the 2 nd level tiers of sp's now where you one add shark??? You can maybe hope the Dodgers. But they like Gallardo.

Well atleast we have a clear idea now of who they want. Can kind of narrow down teams rosters when looking at the possibilities.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:21 PM) How many times was Nottingham mentioned on this site before today? Now all of a sudden, this A ball catcher is something the Sox really needed. It's beyond laughable. If the Sox actually made this trade today, and a couple of days later, another rental was traded for a better known prospect, the complaining would have no end. I am sorry, I am not losing my mind because the Sox didn't acquire some A ball catcher that wasn't even a top 20 Astros prospect before this season began. Maybe I should be. But why don't we wait to see what was acquired and how they turn out before deciding the White Sox blew it? And how do we even know this package was available for Samardjiza? Who honestly cares how many times he was mentioned? I think the obvious problem here is the lack of trust in Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) Maybe Hahn and company wanted prospects that are closer to being MLB ready to fit the window they believe they have? The catcher from the Astros is still a few years away. I'm almost certain that is the reason.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:12 PM) The Astros are without a doubt the most sabermetrical team in baseball. So if you're a saber guy, and knowing how thin catching is league-wide, and they trade him for a rental, wouldn't it make you think they aren't very high on him? You gotta give up players to get players. I dont see why that isnt getting through to you.

Lev Facher ‏@levfacher 2m2 minutes ago Beane: A's needed to be realistic about where they were in the standings. https://twitter.com/levfacher Say what you want about Billy but atleast he isnt blind.

Can we package Rick Hahn in with wherever Shark ends up going?

Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 55s55 seconds ago The #Astros also had Jeff Samardzija on their radar, but couldn't afford to wait for #WhiteSox to decide on a course of action. https://twitter.com/jcrasnick Well there's some good news(major sarcasm)

I was going to say I'm pretty sure Flowers was suspended for PEDs

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 12:35 PM) So Kazmir brought essentially nothing back. Everyone temper your expectations for Samardzija. That's certainly not nothing. Jacob Nottingham is a pretty good prospect.

Oh hey look a young catcher being traded.

Heck I remember everyone was pissed on here when we looked at the return for Peavy. Good times.

That's the problem. It all boils down to what has Rick Hahn shown? Nice moves on paper. Most of it hasnt worked and look at where the club is at. Kenny has his problems but Rick has shown close to nothing. Honestly I hope Kenny gets more involved come the deadline. Whatever Rick is doing with the rope clearly isnt working.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 09:47 PM) If they keep this up, Hahn won't be around by year 3. He's got year 2 and that's really it. No improvement and your fired. But he couldnt tear it down. Otherwise that would seal his fate.

Good work by Flowers....

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:40 PM) Agree to disagree, he is the exact type of player this organization needs and he's available this offseason. No one you're thinking of is. Yeah it's a little silly. How often does a 25 year old with growing offense and elite defense come about in free agency? Did everyone forget that he put up a 6 WAR season last year? That's better than most of our starting lineup combined. But let's sign a bunch of late 20-early 30 year old players. That'll work instead.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:25 PM) .285/.341/.435 seems like a good pair for elite defense. I'd say he's worth the money. Ofcourse and you see what he can give you. He's about a 3 WAR on average and about 6 on a good year. That might be nice to have.

Excuse me but what did everyone expect? Rick to say I'm tearing down and starting over? Before he would be able to do that he would receive a "your fired" from someone above him. Rightfly so. You cant put all the chips down,fail and expect to survive.

Do you want a cookie?

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 09:36 PM) Not saying this is good or bad but Hahn appears to be more sabermetrics orientated then Kenny. And he seems to be much more patient and willing to trust the "process" or "plan" then Kenny. Just my opinion. Mark If this team he put together is sabermetrics oriented then he needs to go visit Bill James for a lesson. It's a disgrace to sabermetrics.