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Does it frustrate any of you guys who see other teams fans who think that Kenny Williams is still the GM? It may just be me...

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 02:48 PM) No. 45: Shortstop Jose Iglesias: Law calls the 21-year-old Iglesias the best defensive shortstop prospect he has ever seen. “He's not the fastest or most athletic,” writes Law, “but he's the one most able to make plays and to take difficult plays and make them look routine.” More from Law, on Iglesas’ offensive potential: “Iglesias' swing is direct with good bat speed, and he has a little pop when he gets his arms extended, although in Fenway that probably will mean lots of doubles off the Monster but few home runs. He needs to avoid barring his lead arm, and so far he hasn't shown much patience although he has shown he can make a lot of contact. If he can draw 50 walks a year or hit .300 regularly, he's an All-Star, and if not, he's still an above-average regular because of the potential value of his defense.” http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/pos...p-100-prospects ***from 2011, BTW Yeah he sure as hell cant hit .300 regularly

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 02:41 PM) Do we know for sure that we are getting this Leury Garcia dude as the ptbnl ?? Yes unless you want to wait for the official release.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 01:44 PM) I think you just ruined everyone's day (besides Greg) There is a limit to spending on international players unless you have us giving out a monster contract like the Phillies did.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) So, does Chris Sale sucks? Heck, he doesn't have a winning record! Why should we get anything? Actually someone used that as a reason when explaining why they wouldnt trade a top prospect for Sale to me. As for this trade fine I guess. As long as we can throw Greg in the deal.

Surprised they dont want to give up Odor? Some expect him in the majors at 20. The kid is just flat out good. Jackson on the other hand is the surprising one.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 07:16 PM) JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm 1m White Sox are not getting Perez, Jackson or Odor for Rios but if price drops to Nick Martinez it could get done...tick tick tick tock Expand If thats true then keep him for the rest of the year

Garcia just gunned down Josh Fields at the plate

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 06:07 PM) Obviously. But the Rangers aren't "blocked" next year. They are just going to have to spread that money out more or trade away cap space if they want. They can trade for slots or just wait until the year after next to have the full value.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 06:01 PM) No it doesn't. It doesn't block signings. It limits the amount a team can offer to an international prospect to either $500,000 or $250,000 depending on how much they went over their pool. And it has nothing to do with the amount of signings the Rangers made, but the amount they spent. The amount they signed was directly tied with the money they spent. You know why? They signed top players in the free agent pool. Thats a serious reduction in what the can spend because it probably wont be a top 20 player for that price.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:55 PM) What kind of prospect do you think would be the Sox minimum price to let Rios go? I think a high upside guy like Luke Jackson is probably their minimum.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:53 PM) Hahn recently said it could be used in the international market, we'll need it for next year's draft top five pick, it could be used to facilitate trades, all of which are better uses than veteran free agents on the downsides of their careers. Going over the cap for international signings like the Rangers did this year(signing multiple free agents) means your blocked the next year.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:50 PM) Yeah we are Marlins, aren't we? Same record, has to be the same philosophy right? Good post....doesnt make sense at all what some people are suggesting. Just have to wait for tomorrow.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:42 PM) In the Sox situation where they have few prospects to build with and few veteran players other teams covet it would be to their advantage to have as much payroll flexibility as possible heading into the offseason. As was stated earlier in this thread, cash is king. Which is why the White Sox in all their trades so far have not been getting any prospects in return and just dumping salary right?

Matt Mosley ‏@mattmosley 6m I'm hearing the Rangers aren't optimistic about landing Rios. But it's certainly worth a try. White Sox asking for too much. https://twitter.com/mattmosley Oh no the White Sox are looking for people in return!

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:36 PM) Again, he's a RF with a .427 slugging percentage. He's not getting younger, and he's not necessarily a great clubhouse guy. The clubhouse thing was debunked by Jon Heyman about 2 weeks ago. Just people continue to ignore it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:31 PM) The last couple months, Rios hasn't been all that productive. I think if it is a dump, it would be very similar to the time the got rid of Carlos Lee. You have to count what they do with the freed up funds as part of the return. Best case scenerio, what does Rios net you this winter or at the next deadline? For a team that probably won't comtend next year, is that better than the added financial flexibility? The point is to add both prospects and financial flexibility aka what they have been doing in all their trades so far. The White Sox are not forced to do anything right now.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:23 PM) Sure. They have his replacement in AAA, and that is $17 million that could be spent on other players. I wonder if Hahn tried setting teams up before the deadline, knowing all along they would take salary relief but asking for the moon so teams would think he wouldn't give him up without a huge return. That would be fine if the player we were giving up was playing poorly. As much as I want to see Garcia up on this team...I'm going to be displeased if its just because we did a salary dump.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:19 PM) What are you talking about? I'm saying that pulling him back off waivers because you think you can get more for him in the off-season is a serious risk. And there's obviously a lot more to it than letting a productive bat walk; it's a significant salary dump as well. You said let him walk. I'm saying thats silly and goes against what Rick Hahn talked about right after the trade deadline. Really it doesnt match up at all with their whole philosophy so far.

Remember when Hahn said we dont need to make anymore trades unless it makes sense and improves the team. Does that sound like letting Rios go for salary relief?

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 05:13 PM) I'm not sold on the idea that Rios is going to generate a lot of interest in the off season trade market. That's highly speculative for a corner outfielder hitting .270 who will probably wind up with about 15 HR's and plenty of personal baggage. Let him walk, Rick. We dont know what we could get for him so let a productive bat and outfielder for nothing? Thats not going to happen. This is almost the same thing as making a trade for the sake of making it as some were suggesting before the trade deadline.

Everyone can forget about Odor....I have him rated as the number 1 prospect in Texas's system. High upside and tearing it up since his promotion.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 04:59 PM) Wow, Hahn shooting for a lot in Pitcher Martin Perez, Pitcher Luke Jackson and Infielder Rougned Odor. Hope this mini 3 game win streak isn't making the Sox brass think we are contenders next year and want to keep Rios. Perez is a high price. Luke Jackson however is not.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:13 PM) The Rangers being crazy in what they gave up for Garza didn't help with regards to expectations Yep and they completely screwed themselves if they dont make the playoffs