Baron

My friend still thinks Josh Hamilton is going to get the triple crown.

Rios

Oh and Simon Castro was promoted to AAA. I think its only a matter of time before he is here.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 22, 2012 -> 03:46 PM) Well, wouldn't bother me a bit...maybe they are just covering their bases just in case. Quite possibly.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 22, 2012 -> 03:17 PM) Promoted to AAA Charlotte. Wont be long before he is in a White Sox uniform.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 22, 2012 -> 03:30 PM) I don't know why they would have made it retroactive if they thought his stay would be prolonged... Thats what I heard. Take it for what its worth.Wouldnt surprise me if it was a longer stay.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jun 22, 2012 -> 03:11 PM) REBUILD I think sox sould look to the future a lil bit. It's gonna be tough to keep up with cle and det with this mess Yeah Cleveland and Detroit(team behind us) really are world beaters. Tough to keep up with them. Have you been watching this division?

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jun 22, 2012 -> 02:57 PM) Let the rebuild begin!!!! lol what?

Sounds like Humber is going to be on the DL for a while. So were 2 starters down. We need one ASAP.

All good moves. Humber has been really struggling.

Yep Im off...night

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 11:38 PM) Just because you said you do doesn't make it so. Your posts in this thread certainly would lead one to think otherwise. Actually, I take that back. Your posts in this thread actually haven't pointed out anything of substance. You've just been piggybacking DA. Its true because I actually did. I wasnt the one that started insulting people by saying they needed to be talked down to like children. I asked you a simple question when we started this debate. You have no proof to back up your point. All you've been trying to do is point out that there is a rare chance my poor is wrong( I actually have proof some which is nice). Thats where this has gone so far. As for what you've been saying to DA. It looks like you've been making up his point to try and make your argument. Im not a fan of that.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 11:34 PM) Well your nose isn't very good either then. But you still haven't addressed my point. I did consider all the information and read this entire thread since it was created. I always do. You just think I dont.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 11:30 PM) I'm sorry Baron, I didn't mean to not take you seriously. But I didn't actually mean you, as in yourself. I meant "you" as in a person in general. Sorry for not making that more clear. Yeah nice little swipe there. Reeks of desperation.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 11:25 PM) That's not what I am saying at all. But wouldn't you agree that if you are really going to voice your strong opinions on a topic you at least have an obligation to consider all available known information if you wish to be taken seriously? Im taken pretty seriously actually. More than you think.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 11:21 PM) Ahh, this is why I asked for you to make it more clear to me! He does claim that we actually bid $25 million. My bad. But you do understand that this does not make it a fact that we did so, right? Just because Peter Gammons said so doesn't make it fact? Still a rumor. ru·mor: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth So unless it comes out of Kenny's mouth we should just blow it off? Even then you may claim its still a rumor.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 11:15 PM) You seem to espouse the theory that one must spend every dollar one has access to, or saying they have no money to spend is an inaccurate statement. You seem to espouse the theory that JR should exhaust every financial resource he has or else he is not putting all the money back into the team. Such behavior would indeed be very reckless. He hasnt been saying that at all. Stop trying to put words in his mouth to make your argument.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 11:13 PM) But you did claim that, Baron. You posted that it was not a rumor because he said it was true. Even if I did trust Peter Gammons as much as you, I certainly didn't read his statement to say we bid $25-30 million. But perhaps you can make it more clear to me. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/jorge-soler/ Pretty easy find I know you may have trouble with this. But normally when people try to distinguish fact from a rumor they usually say so.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 11:03 PM) Baron, are you claiming that if someone says something, it cannot be a rumor, because that person said it was true? Secondly, the argument is not whether Peter Gammons has better sources or I do. The argument, if there actually is one, is which is a better source, actual publicly-released documents regarding player salaries, attendance, etc., or Peter Gammons hearing from his sources that we made a bid on Jorge Soler. Notwithstanding that even if it was established that we did bid on him, that doesn't establish the value of that bid. Oh, and I actually do know a guy that has pretty good sources within the White Sox...but no, I have no direct sources, nor did I claim I did. I am absolutely not claiming that. What I am claiming is that I trust his sources(This is coming from someone involved in the game of baseball almost his entire life) which said we bid on Soler and that bid was 25-30 million. Over your analyzation of documents and not having a full understanding of the details. Its pretty simple. I dont care if you have a friend connected with the White Sox. Give yourself a pat on the back.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:58 PM) We are all speculating, absolutely. I certainly can not claim to have access to the White Sox financial records. But I am tying my argument to publicly-released figures regarding payroll and attendance, and tying them to our roster moves and acquisitions to try and fill in the gaps. You are going off of vague rumors by Peter Gammons. It wasnt a rumor. He said we bid. Plain and simple. Its right there in black and white. Peter Gammons is 100 times more reputable than you are and actually has sources throughout teams in baseball. Yes we know you have no sources throughout the White Sox. That much was very clear from the start.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:52 PM) There certainly is. I'll give you a hint, despite the continued assertions that "I always do" this and that. I'll give you a hint: All you have to do is look at the payroll versus attendance and the performance of the team over the course of that last 7 years and you can see all the evidence you need. So no evidence. All your doing is guessing. Glad we got that cleared up.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:47 PM) Honestly, just because you are too lazy to go back and re-read the thread doesn't make you any less wrong, Baron. I actually read the entire argument right before I posted the first time as I always do. Like I said there is no evidence for your arguments.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:45 PM) I'm sorry you don't have the ability to read a large passage of information and extract the critical information from it. You still cant deliver. How unfortunate.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:42 PM) He doesn't need evidence. He's shack. He's lighting us up. Yeah I know...I just dont have the same grasp on life that he does. The all knowing shack.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:40 PM) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:17 PM) I just don't understand how you could be a CPA and not see the different budgets that are in play here. I am sure each area has a budget and they try to stay within those budgets. Signing Soler would probably come out of a different budget than the one intended for making in-season acquisitions. I know our Organization gets creative with money, and will pull from one area to another and vice versa, but I am not sure what you would have them do. Signing Soler is probably based on payrolls in the future and not necessarily money they have right now from which to draw against. How could you possibly not get your mind around that as an accountant? First Base Coach Group: Members Posts: 21,291 Joined: May 7, 2003 Member No.: 385 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:35 PM) First of all we don't even know they made an offer on Soler. Secondly, I am sure the investors of the Club have money they can pull from when it is necessary. That does not mean it is considered generally available rather than utilizing traditional revenue sources such as gate revenues. You guys are both being incredible. This is not a publicly traded corporation, it's a freaking privately owned baseball franchise. BURN!!!