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Even if that were true and it's not but that still wouldn't mean they weren't serious about acquiring him.

See maybe it's just me but I don't think there's some grand conspiracy going on here. They wanted Manny. They made him an offer they were comfortable with. They had the highest offer for months. His team waited it out and they got a higher offer. That's just well played by his side.

Saying agree to disagree is a cop out. You really really need to stop moving the goal posts. They were absolutely serious in acquiring him. Whether they had the right offer for it is another story entirely. Why the mods decided to torture us all this offseason and unban you is the real mystery.

Nonsense. Especially on the 3rd base part.

Christ I must have missed him coming back. Glad we're all going to have our good taste of misery back in full swing on here.

God we're starting with this and only one disappointing non signing so far. Going to be a long offseason.

I was about to say lol. Because Not Steve said so?

So he wants Spring Training in Florida....can we relocate ours? lol

I wonder how many years he wants to get in before he retires.

Verlander has about 20 teams after him

Who on here is going to make an argument that he's not bad?

He was but if your just taking their defense in the OF as a whole I mean it's really negligible. They are both almost equal in DRS (-4 and -5) URZ is better for Vaughn. ARM is better for Conforto. I wouldn't say Conforto is a clear upgrade. He's a bad defensive outfielder. Conforto's zone rating in 2020 was 851 and 921 this year. Vaughn's was 879 this year. That's all just brutal.

Statistically no.

Adam Engel was way outmatched there

Listening to Dusty makes me fall asleep

Damn that was a good throw

Basketball games it's the same way

Good job Lance

There we go

You sure? Whenever someone makes a good pitch on here it's our fault somehow.

That's not a strike

These are the people that won't be happy until a rebuild starts again

All the years most of us going through absolute misery we're finally here in the playoffs. Let's give it our best shot and win.

I may know a person who knows something about...something

Not Steve and his BS at it again