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2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:
When you say defund the police - I presume you mean police reform? Cause I don't believe that defunding the police is a popular policy at all (in terms of the more extremist views on truly defunding the police).
I would say the police reform is absolutely needed. The defund the police is worst branding than calling basic human rights socialism.
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5 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:
Matt Gaetz also kept his house seat. Marjorie Greene got into one. Is that because voters are obsessed with progressive policies? No. It’s because smaller house districts enable more heavily ideological candidates. AOC will retain NY-14 as long as she wants it, and those two Republican dingbats will do the same in theirs. However, none of them will ever be successful in running for statewide office. I’d put money on that.
Progressivism isn’t as popular as you think. If it was, they’d have taken the Senate easily in a year with a favorable map and a historically unpopular incumbent opponent at the top of the ticket. But they likely won’t. And contrary to your condescending claims, it’s not because the evil mainstream parties brainwash the stupid rubes. How does that even come across as a convincing or endearing argument in your mind?
@whitesoxfan99 what does “defund the police” (the popular concept) mean to you? How has it been marketed in your perception? I’m not trying to set you up, I’m legit curious what you think. Personally, I think Americans like the idea of taking some tasks away from police to make their jobs easier while providing more optimal responses to certain situations, but there have also been many of the hoi polloi who act like “defund the police” means they go away entirely.
Give it up dawg, the country doesn't agree with you.
You may argue this is not progressive policy if you want. It could be seen as moderate since a majority believe in it.
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59 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:
Fun fact, no progressive whos supported progressive policies lost their house seat. It was in fact the centrist losers who stood for nothing that lost their seats. How does Florida vote for a $15 min/wage yet Trump won the state. How did Biden win Illinois yet a "fair tax" lost pretty handedly? I think people throw around words to scare people when a majority of the country supports progressive policies. It's just both dems and repubs love to use proverbial boogeyman to scare low iq voters on both spectrums.
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9 minutes ago, whitesoxfan99 said:
Democrats are horrendous at marketing. Defunding the police is actually a popular policy but it is the worst branding in history.
And unrelated to your post, I’m getting very concerned the Republican Party, Trump and Fox News are doing irreparable damage to the country. Hard to see a way back from a huge amount of people legitimately believing crack pot conspiracy theories over actual news and a party pushing election fraud with zero basis whatsoever. Ideally that party would be burned to the ground and have a new Conservative party that is complete trash take it’s place.
100% agree. The people who are cheerleading Biden will be surprised when a more competent Trump is elected in 4 years because dems govern " on " safely...
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2 hours ago, Danny Dravot said:
Demographics change naturally, and voting trends change as a result. That's totally understandable. It was only a couple of decades ago that George HW Bush did this (NJ and Idaho on the same page????) and even more recently that Bill Clinton did this (Arkansas and Cali going together????).
We take a lot of the current map for granted and just focus on WI/MI/PA/OH as the end all, be all, and everything else is a mega surprise when it doesn't go in its supposedly promised direction. But by 2040, the map is going to be completely revamped. As a right-leaning moderate, I think this system is great because it favors moderation. More immigration coming from south of the border? Well, Republicans are going to have to appeal to them. Nothing about being born poor in Guadalajara and struggling to learn a new language in a new country guarantees you to vote left, but in our current system it usually turns out that way. With the right message, Rs can change that. At the same time, Democrats got a nasty lesson in FL this round; I don't like AOC but she's still a long way from Castro- yet, try telling a Cuban in Miami that! So Ds will have to tailor their message or risk Florida becoming more permanently red.
A Republican party that insists it is now the party of Trump will quickly lose relevance and die. A Democratic party that leans too far towards progressivism will do the same. Centrism is where it's at.
Fun fact, no progressive whos supported progressive policies lost their house seat. It was in fact the centrist losers who stood for nothing that lost their seats. How does Florida vote for a $15 min/wage yet Trump won the state. How did Biden win Illinois yet a "fair tax" lost pretty handedly? I think people throw around words to scare people when a majority of the country supports progressive policies. It's just both dems and repubs love to use proverbial boogeyman to scare low iq voters on both spectrums.
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2 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:
That's how I remember the conversation. If you had a different perception of it, you're welcome to share.
It's irrelevant but if you're going to dunk on someone you should be sure you have the air time to make it to the rim. ?
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24 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:
How about using the 25th. It's time.
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump·“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.” @ChanelRion @OANNThe problem is republicans wouldn't go along with it. You would think they would as the future of their party kind of depends on it.
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22 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:
I was arguing with someone in this thread the other day who opposed the Electoral College because it was easily manipulated. He claimed that Silicon Valley could relocate to the Dakotas and Wyoming and turn those EC votes blue. I pointed out that it would take a lot of companies moving their entire worldwide operations into those states, all of their workers being reliable Democrats and accepting a move from Santa Monica to Laramie in the first place, and I got told that I was playing checkers instead of chess.
I’m sure somebody on Twitter is raving about this great idea where an ideologically monolithic equivalent of a small city pack up their entire lives in a matter of weeks to secure a desired political result, but beyond the likely illegality of it as a tactic, most people don’t operate that way.
Yeah I enjoy my gun rights but if my state came up with slightly more restrictive laws on that topic, I’d cast my vote against those legislators and be done with it. I wouldn’t quit my job, make my wife quit hers, pull my kids out of school and move to another state I’ve never been to.
Oh, and one more thing, as ridiculous as that would be, it would actually work. If I though California’s gun laws were arduous, moving to Texas would be an immediate improvement, at least in that one small part of life. Enough people are never going to move to sway an election; you’d screw up your life AND fail to obtain your goal.
If you're going make stuff up about our discussion, at least tell the whole the story. The level of disingenuity is beyond absurd.
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2 hours ago, greg775 said:
I'm not making any of this stuff up, I'm commenting on what's going on out there. I'm not just dismissing what Trump's team is saying. They are saying there's fraud and his personal attorney is filing suits. This is all real and worth commenting on. Just because I'm one of the only guys willing to let it play out in court instead of just dismissing it doesn't mean I'm insincere. I have a lot of concerns about the radical left. If Joe truly is a moderate I'm all for Joe even though I"m sick about my taxes likely going up.
If you all want me to shut up and please not comment on this stuff I will abide by your decision and shut up.
Free country, I would never tell someone to shut up for exercising their rights. That being said, you it's my right to respond to, in my opinion, your absolute rubbish.
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3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:
What the Democrats need to do is listen to the Republicans and not be mean. It's time for everyone to come together and compromise. For the good of the nation.
Play this for all the Georgians who are struggling without a stimulus bill.
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12 minutes ago, bmags said:
Lauren Underwood now up by 3,500 votes, after her opponent tried to declare victory on election night before mail-ins had been counted.
Is her opponent THE oberweis dude?
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Waiting for Trump's counterattack is a little uneasy. I feel real uneasy.
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Should they just 25th amendment Trump's ass now?
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The peach state will play a pivotal role for the country going forward. Crazy.
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1 minute ago, Texsox said:
Agreed. But so many votes on so many topics keep going based on straight party lines.
I really wish that would end. If something is good policy it shouldn't matter who came up with the idea. The partisan tribalism is ruining this country.
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1 minute ago, Texsox said:
No doubt. I'd like to have both. I appreciate Collins showing a small amount of independence and willingness to cross the aisle. I'd also appreciate a Dem doing the same. I think we need more independence.
I think her not voting for ACB helped but she's been pretty complicit in the most of Trump's policies.
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1 minute ago, Texsox said:
For what it's worth I'm happy Kelly won in Arizona and I'm not really broken up that Collins won in Maine.
I kinda want to see what the dems do with a slight majority in the senate to be honest.
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Um Mr. President, I think it's time you concede...
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Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
They were -450 Trump at one point on Tuesday night
I saw -800 on one of my books.
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Just now, mqr said:
Going with an old Centrist is also why they got dong whipped down ballot.
Pete is a centrist too but I think he would have done better down ballot.
Republicans are unapologetically themselves. That's why their base turns out the way they do. You really don't know what democrats stand for. I'm not trump and I'm not banning fracking is hardly policy.
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4 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said:
Yeah, the far left somehow looks at the all-time highest vote totals for POTUS, and sez,"durr it shudda been more gooder if he was more ultraiberal."
The reality is that this election drew more left-leaning voters than ever before, but it also drew more right-leaning voters than ever before as well.
You act like that's a result of Joe Biden. That's laughable. DJT would be re-elected easily if COVID didn't happen. Those are facts.
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1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:
And this is why Democrats cant have nice things. Instead of seeing an extremely close election where it is hopeful that the Democrats barely beat one of the most Anti-American Presidents of all time. We want to argue that if only we had been *more* liberal we would have some one done better.
Do you really think that there were all these ultra liberals hanging out in Georgia, Florida, Texas, NC who only would have voted if there was a more liberal candidate?
I think Roy Moore was so bad that not many people showed up to vote him in. Doug Jones was a dead man walking when he won that special election. I doubt there was anything he could have done sans change to an (R).
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Just now, Dick Allen said:
Trump is a fake Republican.
True but he governed like typical establishment republican.
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2020 Election Thoughts
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I just hate that we have become the laughing stock of the world when it comes to basic rights for a developed country. The whole world protested george floyd, that in itself is shows how glaring that incident was. Of course there are worse things that happen in lesser developed countries, I'm not saying that at all.