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QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) Um, yes they do. Perhaps not directly, but their aides/communications people do it routinely, especially when it comes to the economy they inherit. I was going to say GWB but he probably blamed Clinton for 9/11 so.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 11:52 AM) Every President blames the prior administration. That's nothing new. I think you're missing the point. Trump is so narcissistic that he probably thinks he'll accomplish all the hot air he just blew out. He will ultimately fail (I seriously want to eat crow on this) but I just want to see how he'll pivot when it happens.

QUOTE (brett05 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) President Trump be the first to blame his predecessor. Nice strawman mate.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) I feel just awful for a lot of the people that think they are going to prosper the next four years. All of the money is going to go to the top of the income chain faster and easier than ever before. Trump already will have his excuse ready, It's Obama's fault.

Guys get ready for a crazy ride, we have entered the f***ing twilight zone! Seriously, what's the percentage you would say this guy is one in done. He looks way over is head but we'll see.

"We will get people off of welfare." Trump is trying to rally POC but they just won't buy it. Neo-Nazi's have to be pissed haha

How can anyone think Trump has charisma. He sounds like such a f***ing phony.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 15, 2017 -> 07:57 AM) So he should just sit there and let a political hack who was famous 50 years ago belittle him and the Presidency? Get over it already. Lewis hasn't done anything since then, how long you gonna ride that? At some point, Trump's twitter will have to be disabled. It's pretty comical how thin skinned the guy, but if some world leaders start goading him, that's when issues could arise.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 12:29 PM) Rephrase the question. Do you mean that its entirely Trump's fault or that WW3 occurs on his watch. Cause I think it is almost 0 that Trump "starts WW3." He is a blowhard, not a bully. There is a big difference. I should have said on his watch. I personally don't think the people around him let it happen.

So what percentage would you people put on Trump starting WW3?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 12:14 PM) Im pretty sure that if both parties worked together they could put together some pretty amazing controls that could result in better/cheaper healthcare for everyone. Its unfortunate. Both parties have overlords to serve. Money talks.

caulfield pretty much summed it up pretty well. The US should not emulate those countries with the type of resources we have, we should exceed them. Sure, the US is still the primary go to place in the world for immigration but we absolutely can do better. That being said, our politicians are to blame for the failures of our country and the people who elect them as well. edit: I feel like the US attitude is "I got mine, now go f*** yourself!"

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) I think there are some distinctions to the arguments above, but this is the R thread, so I'm going to stay out of that. Throughout our nation's history, we have had individual Senators and Reps who put country over party. I am encouraged on Russia by Rubio's questions to Tillerson, and by the (alleged) 10 Republican Senators that are also pushing for increased sanctions on Russia over interference with the election. IF Trump is in Russia's pocket, I am more optimistic today than I was a week ago that we will see Republicans break ranks. Republicans absolutely need to break rank if Trump is guilty of the alleged offenses. He's an outsider anyway, it's not like they are skewering one of their own.

Why would anyone be shocked at this performance?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) Which speaks volumes about sexism in our country. Sure, but I'm willing to bet it wasn't what was in between Hillary's legs that lost her the election.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 01:25 PM) Vaccine truthers are some of the worst. Just use some cocoa butter and hot sauce and you'll be good as new.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) Kennedy says that Trump asked him to run a commission on vaccines. This will kill a bunch of Americans. Maybe their goal is to reduce the population? /green

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) She would have won if her name was Twillary Blinton or Killary Plinton. But people HATE Hillary Clinton, including many women, so here we are. Clinton was the wrong choice after Obama and the turn out proved that.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) You can admit whatever you want, but its not correct. /green

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:56 AM) Black women politicians are so successful at winning elections. The black women caucus is huge. I should have /green but let's be honest, black females is a move of the goalpost.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) Not sure what you are responding to. I never said that the DNC wasnt "corrupt", I said that Bernie didnt get screwed. The next line of logic makes absolutely no sense. The media said "Trump" had no chance and it was already over, yet Trump won. Trump won a bunch of "blue states" in the primary, CA, NY, IL, and lost Texas/Ohio/Wisconsin/Minnesota. There is a certain irony that you are calling out the DNC, but then saying that somehow Sanders, who lost, should have been the nominee because he did better in states that were more necessary to win the Presidential election. Well that isnt how the primary works. You keep saying if they let the "Democratic process play out", but have yet to show any evidence that Bernie Sanders had votes denied or Clinton was given votes. Bernie Sanders lost, just like the Blue Jays or the Red Sox. Maybe the AL could change its rules so that the team they think "has the best chance to beat the NL" is just placed in the World Series and they dont have to play the games. I guess the DNC could do that too, but that would seemingly be less "democratic" than having primaries where the winner is nominated. There is just a lot of false logic in what you are saying as Hillary also beat Sanders in Pennsylvania, Florida, Virginia and North Carolina. Who knows if Sanders could have won, maybe merely being a white male would have pushed him over the top. But again, if Hillary sucks, Sanders sucked worse. Because it wasnt that competitive of a race, it was 60% to 39%. For comparison in 2008, Obama was 53%, Clinton was 46%, and if you take out "superdelegate" it was 51% to 49%. Even more ironic, is that Obama did well in "red states" in the primary. So where is the smoke? Hillary lost to Obama by the very same rules that she beat Sanders. In fact Hillary crushed Sanders when compared to the Obama/Clinton race. I know history and facts are boring, but Sanders lost because he couldnt beat Clinton in the primaries. The DNC didnt change the rules to help Clinton, they didnt give Clinton votes. Now if you want to change the primary system, that is a legitimate argument, but you cant retroactively do it. I know I know the leaked emails claiming the sabotage are just complete and utter bulls***. I never claimed their was voter fraud in the primaries, voter suppression OTOH, absolutely. Also I never said Sanders should have been the nominee, I just simply said to have the primaries without shenanigans. I know the numbers back up Hillary won but to some it's a giant asterisk. As for the Trump bit, his supporters are extremely resilient if you haven't noticed; they were going to vote for him no matter what. He got his base so fired up that he could have said anything f***ed up during the campaign and the supporters would have believed he never said that. That's some grade A charisma right there. Listen the DNC can do whatever shenanigans they want as it's their party but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't clean up their act if there are more red victories in the future. They are under a giant microscope now.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:44 AM) FWIW that's the same argument Hillfolk used against Obama in 2008. He still went on to win. And as for the media coverage, you could have said the same thing about Trump's chances being portrayed as "LOL" but people still showed up. Additionally, Trump brought out some dark roots in people that made them think, "YES, HELL YES, f*** MUSLIMS, f*** N*****, f*** ANYONE THAT'S NON-WHITE. A lot of people have these thoughts in the country and they were definitely going to vote for a non PC person like Trump.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:44 AM) FWIW that's the same argument Hillfolk used against Obama in 2008. He still went on to win. And as for the media coverage, you could have said the same thing about Trump's chances being portrayed as "LOL" but people still showed up. Obama had the ultimate X factor. He was black. If HRC was black, she would have won. Yes, I'm admitting this.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:50 AM) Uh what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_th...primaries,_2016 Hillary won by over 3mil votes and almost 1k delegates. The only people that keep up the myth "Bernie got screwed" are Republican's who are still trying to split the Democratic party. The entire idea of Hillary had to be more progressive is ridiculous. Hillary didnt lose because she wasnt "progressive", she lost for the exact opposite reason. Clinton got "crushed" in deep red areas, whereas Obama only "lost." Granted Hillary did mess up pretty majorly, and had she maybe been a bit more "prepare for the worst, hope for the best" she may have gone harder for Wisconsin/Michigan, etc. But again, being more progressive shouldnt have done anything. Any true Sanders believer would never have stayed home, never would have voted for Trump. So the only angle was to be less "hated" by hardcore Republicans. And perhaps you havent noticed, but those people arent exactly into progressive policies. So no, the DNC didnt "guarantee" his victory. Trump's victory is nothing more than flipping a penny 10x and having it come up heads every time. It is rare, but it happens. It was a perfect storm of things, that I could probably write 500 pages on. What is Hillary supposed to be doing? She lost, she has no office, her career in politics is likely over. The hate she receives is bordering on insanity. Obama/Michelle went hard for Hillary and even THEY couldnt get their own voters out. Listen, you can hand wave the DNC corruption, that's your prerogative. It's definitely not a myth as you claim. You had the media saying that BS had no chance and that it was already over. That's pretty much telling people to stay home and not vote which is bulls***. Granted, people need to be think for themselves and not be so influenced by the media. You had the delegate count with the super delegates included. That was another bulls*** ass method to manipulate people. You had emails that were leaked that showed the DNC were in cahoots with HRC. BS was an outsider to the DNC and their actions showed he wasn't going to get a fair shake. If the DNC let the democratic process take place without any shenanigans and HRC won, maybe just maybe she wins. That's all people wanted. The irony is the Republicans also had their own outsider and they allowed the primaries to play out and he won. Hillary won a bunch of red states in the primaries that were not going to vote for her in the general. BS won those states that Hillary lost in general. I can say with the putrid voter turnout this election a guy like BS would have got people out to vote for him and win the damn thing. Hillary sucked and that was proven. You want to know why, because DONALD f***ING TRUMP was her opponent and she still got beat. Lastly, the DNC is already split. The neoliberals and establishment democrats just got their teeth knocked down their throat and the progressive wing is trying to repair the party's image. The Clinton's are cancer and now they are gone we'll see just how much resolve they have now. 46% of the country didn't vote and ~24% elected Trump president. That's a lot of people that stayed home under the threat of president Trump. Hillary sucks. That is all.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 11:05 PM) Why would the DNC get behind Bernie when Hillary destroyed him? Never forget a MAJORITY of Americans voted for Hillary. Whether you like it or not, a minority of Americans screwed you Greg. And they along with you, will have to deal with the fallout. The party of Reagan bowing to the Russians. The party of small government promising to spend and increase the federal government without a word about "balancing the budget." The Russian's won, after all of these years, they won. And all they had to do was post a few false stories to convince people like you how "terrible" Hillary was. Ummm bro... did you not hear what happened during the primaries? DNC got a dose of karma after the shenanigans they pulled. Hillary thought she could win without winning over progressive voters, welp they just proved her wrong. Her narcissistic ass got beat because she couldn't get Obama voters to go vote for her. She was f***ing pathetic and deserved to lose. Look at her now, sulking and crying foul about the FBI and fake news. Bernie is still out there fighting the good fight. Good riddance to the Clintons. Trump is going to suck massive dick but the DNC pretty much guaranteed his victory.