VictoryMC98

More talking points.. Name the exact regulations that have put into place since the economy took a dive.. that is a burden. You know why companies are hurting, CEO's getting 8 figure bonuses, then go.. Opps we are hurting. We give tax breaks to companies, who then ship jobs overseas.. I see it in my business all the time. Its not the GOV job to figure out corp finance. And its both sides BTW.. I love the talking point that the gov caused the banks to hand out risky loans.. Showcased exactly the wording that states.. As a Bank, you have to give out a 400.000 loan to a guy making 30k a year. Its the Banks own fault, plain and simple.

Yet another great KW pickup huh? I recall the exact date that Ozzie, told KW.. I want This Rios guy barely hitting his weight in TOR, you get me him.. OOO wait, it never happened. KW was trying to block DET from grabbing him, because he thought.. Hey the Griffey trade didn't work last year.. and we are what 6-7 back. so it makes sense.. so what if he is owed 75mil more.. KW is to blame for Rios, he shouldn't be here.. Period.

I agree on the 2010.. Look at the Yankees this season their DH is their weakest link in their lineup yet somehow they managed to be in 1st place.

Beckham, would have been in AAA for all of 09, if KW got a 3B... And let him grow and fail in the minors. IMO, and I don't know if this is possible, but you bring in a veteran like Mark Ellis, have him compete for with Beckham, if Beckham can't make it throw him in AAA, until he can hit .300 for over a month at the min. Ellis brings a nice stopgap, and a good backup as well if Bacon Who is going to replace Morel, the great Mark Teahan, another one of KW great PUs. As said before, The Sox have not had a 3b on their roster since Crede left.

So your plan is don't do anything.. and Hope things will Change? As for the Bolded statement.. What exactly are you talking about ? And lastly, we have been doing nothing for a while.. which is why we are here.

Ozzie's gone.. But don't worry we will still suck!

Exactly How dare we call out the guy who think Oil tax breaks are more important than America's infrastructure.

So getting rid of Ozzie does what then, other than give the Sox a short term solution?

I don't shut him down.. allow him to rest call it a year. There is no reason to push him. Lets see if Stewart can build on the Twins outing, with the RP in place from minors, go back to a 5 man.. Time to find out "if these kids can play"

I don't take offense at all, we have a difference of opinions. I fail to see any manager that can take this team and make it into a winner. You see to blame all the Organization issues on Ozzie. Where as I am safe to state, Ozzie has been the best manager the White Sox have had in 25+ years. Do you think all of the White Sox problems are going to get solved by just getting rid of Ozzie?

Your argument has become.. Lets use Ozzie as the scapegoat, because this team isn't as talented as others in our division. Am I wrong in stating that?

I'll ask you this since Balta can't... Name me another manager who makes this team a playoff team.

.. Thanks I need that!

DH wasn't the fact the SOX lost.. Lack of a PEN did. And at the break, they get... A SP Also failing to have a MLB 3b, if you want to start talking offense. But, I'm sure that's Ozzie's fault too for the SOX acquiring Teahen, then giving him a 2-3 year ext. Now the sox have not had a 3b since Crede left, but I'm sure that's Ozzie's fault too? I would also like to blame Ozzie for last time I was at the park.. I had to wait in line to get my beer, and then the guys in front of me took the last Sam Adams. Ozzie should have stopped the game to get me my beer!!! For the last 3 years Ozzie was given a sub-par team, and told.. go win with it.

So Ozzie decided to have a crappy Pen?

But, I agree he was a stud..The park had something to do with it. Also the leagues... I don't blame KW, for going after Peavy at the time.. It was a smart move at the time. He started last year to show signs of his old self, before ripping his muscle off the bone. Now he was back prior to when they stated he would.. But with his deal on the books, then KW, goes and gets Rios, who just flat out has sucked for the money he is making. And that is Ozzie's fault.. It seems from reading this thread.. KW gets a free pass.. While all the blame of the bad roster is on Ozzie...

What does that have to do with Reagan's failures?

How so?

Got it, you only want to use the "We too much in taxes" talking point, as soon as facts are brought in.. you need to change to expand the talking point... With that said.. How do you fix the economy?

I was referencing the same time period as the Sox. I agree once the 08 Cubs got there, it was up to Lou.. which is different than the 08 Sox.

So do you blame Lou Penilla and Mike Quady for the failures of the Cubs?

So the GM handing out those contracts like candy isn't at all to blame? ( yes I know some were acquired via trades, waivers). For some reason you give him a free pass.. Why? IMO, there are ZERO managers out there that could have turned this club into a winner this year.. ZERO, it is just built bad.

Balta, I think you are drawing at straws trying to find anything you can bad and pin it on Ozzie.

Calm down there, I was staying out of it.. since I already know how you are going to respond, and its not worth either one of our times to discuss it. I will go back and see what you stated.. Carry on.

I don't think we do the right thing when it comes to illegal immigration, we go after them. Why? Go after the why they are here.. employers. If you truly want to get rid of illegal immigration, here is what you do. For every illegal caught at a job site/factory/etc... The CEO/President of the company goes to jail for 1 year.. No deals, no early parole, nothing.. With no jobs, there is no reason why an illegal would want to come here.