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QUOTE (bighurt574 @ May 17, 2012 -> 05:12 PM) I don't think anyone said that there's no advantage to batting a DH over a pitcher (I'm assuming any team can plug in a DH who will outhit just about any pitcher). They were just comparing whether it's harder for AL teams to adapt to the NL rule or vice versa. Yes comparing whether it is harder for AL teams to adapt or vice versa is what some have stated but that is exactly why the application of the rules are unfair to the AL. As you correctly state any team can plug in a DH who will outhit just about any pitcher thus the NL exercises their option to use the DH in the AL and the AL has no such option in the NL. Advantage NL and Disadvantage AL. Just our luck we start play in the NL tomorrow and we may be forced to sit Dayan (did I spell his first name correctly:).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 17, 2012 -> 04:42 PM) Did someone actually argue there was no advantage to using it? I didn't. Sorry, I did not mean to imply that you thought there was no advantage. Yes several have stated they felt little or no advantage and I thought your comment was a nice set up for my side of the discussion.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 17, 2012 -> 01:54 PM) I can't see a scenario where the NL ever adopts the DH and I can't see a scenario where the AL ever gives it up. At least not in the next couple decades. The AL has the Union on their side (since it extends guys careers), while the NL has tradition and history to not having it. Yes except when the NL plays in an AL park they decide to throw all that tradition and history out the window and they opt to use a DH (but there is no real advantage they must just do it to be polite).

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 17, 2012 -> 12:12 PM) Interleague play is not more advantageous for one or the other league. AL teams have to hit their pitchers, NL teams have to find a DH. There are lots of good arguments against interleague play, but taking one side of an obviously two-sided argument isn't one of them. I personally like IL play, though I am skeptical how it will work out next year doing it every day. I think it gives you a much better read on how good or bad teams are, highlights the different styles of play, brings out more fans, encourages some rivalries, and forces teams in both leagues to be more adaptive and prepared. I have enjoyed the discussion and various opinions about this topic. Obviously having two sides to an issue is what makes it an issue, we simply see the advantage/disadvantage differently. Just curious about your comment: ..... "AL teams have to hit their pitchers, NL teams have to find a DH" ...... Do you think these two are a wash/ equal?

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ May 17, 2012 -> 11:39 AM) The "issue" is the MLBPA and the DH. Millions of dollars go to players that aren't good in the field but can still rake...David Ortiz is an example. Manny Ramirez is another. Jim Thome is another...although he is playing 1B a lot in Philly. The MLBPA won't let go of the DH easily and I don't blame them. Correct that is absolutely a key "issue" and I agree the MLBPA should not let go of the DH for their membership, but what about a solution to the problem of inter league play creating a competitive dis advantage to either side. Isn't this exactly the type of issue a $16 million a year commissioner should be capable of resolving? I know why MLB wants inter league play, it is the $; but if you only consider the $ you run the risk of turning baseball into WWF where nobody really cares about winning and losing and it is just entertainment and cash flow. Simple (and immediate) fix is to apply the same rules to both AL and NL teams and make the DH (which is not going away) available to both teams as a option. MLB get to keep its $ and results are determined on the field.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 17, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) Anyone else interested in Viciedo at 3B? I think that ship has sailed but given the huge hole at 3rd base I certainly understand why it continues to come up for discussion. I want his bat in the line up everyday so we can finally confirm what many of us suspect (and pray for), that he is truly a major league hitter/run producer. Moving him to his 4th (or 5th) position is not the way to maximize his development at this point of his career.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 17, 2012 -> 11:07 AM) But we always hear that DHing isn't for everyone. I think both leagues are disadvantaged when playing away games during interleague. I wish the rules were the same, and I'm thinking a DH in both leagues is the way to go. Why deal with pitchers hitting? That is exactly what I am advocating; make the rules the same. The two leagues are not ready to accept or decline the DH on a blanket full time basis so if you are going to continue interleague play allow both leagues the "option" to use the DH (as the NL can now) as they wish in either park. Thus the rules are the same and the structure of the roster by teams from either league are not turned upside down during this money grab scheduling trick. If only there was some one paid handsomely enough to assume a position of leadership in MLB and resolve these type of issues quickly and responsibly.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 17, 2012 -> 10:31 AM) This part of your argument is wrong. AL rosters are built for the DH and can plug in guys like Ortiz & Dunn. NL teams don't have that luxury and are forced to put a 4th OF or 5th IF in that DH spot, which puts them at a huge disadvantage when they play in I totally understand what you are saying however this can also make the disadvantage to AL teams more significant as the AL rosters are structured for 150 + games using the DH and then this very significant piece is prohibited from playing. I believe this is much more of a negative to the AL than when the NL is allowed "the option" (their choice) of a DH. I also would think a smart NL GM could/should bring up a "hitter" from their 40 man roster in lieu of a lesser hitter when playing in an AL park.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ May 16, 2012 -> 09:51 PM) * Ok with Viciedo officially heating up, I want Dayan playing at least 2 games vs Cubs. Have Dunn, Dayan and Paulie sit out 1 game each ? In fact: Move Dayan to 3B for the series. This is why inter-league play needs to end. It is grossly unfair to AL teams when playing in NL parks. I know it puts $ in owners pockets but it destroys the integrity of the game. I wish the owners would create a position in MLB senior management that could look out for big picture issues like this and resolve them responsibly........ (hello Bud Selig...FIX THIS!!). While a blanket inclusion or elimination of the DH is probably too much to expect; I will never understand why MLB simply does not allow the AL teams to utilize the DH in NL parks. The NL teams all have no problem switching to the use of a DH when playing in an AL park. This is a simple and IMMEDIATE solution to a significant issue of competitive fairness. Why the AL owners/GM's do not demand that this occur has always mystified me. I am truly interested in opinions on the above. Thought I would try a new thread based on a "carry over" from what was part of a discussion about Viceado/Dunn in LF for the cub series. My feelings are as stated above and I cannot believe the AL teams have allowed this to continue. I would really like to hear what others think about this.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 17, 2012 -> 09:17 AM) Its usually unfair to NL teams in AL parks as they wind up with a reserve player DHing. But they do have the option of utilizing the "other leagues" rules, not so for AL teams in NL parks. Seems inequitable to me and easy to resolve.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ May 16, 2012 -> 09:51 PM) Ok with Viciedo officially heating up, I want Dayan playing at least 2 games vs Cubs. Have Dunn, Dayan and Paulie sit out 1 game each ? In fact: Move Dayan to 3B for the series. This is why inter-league play needs to end. It is grossly unfair to AL teams when playing in NL parks. I know it puts $ in owners pockets but it destroys the integrity of the game. I wish the owners would create a position in MLB senior management that could look out for big picture issues like this and resolve them responsibly........ (hello Bud Selig...FIX THIS!!). While a blanket inclusion or elimination of the DH is probably too much to expect; I will never understand why MLB simply does not allow the AL teams to utilize the DH in NL parks. The NL teams all have no problem switching to the use of a DH when playing in an AL park. This is a simple and IMMEDIATE solution to a significant issue of competitive fairness. Why the AL owners/GM's do not demand that this occur has always mystified me.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ May 15, 2012 -> 06:17 PM) I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired on Sox fans with their low expectations. This is why the ownership gets away with putting inferior products on the field. I believe the statement was that he was pretty happy with the team "today"; followed by a few specific things that could be perceived as good. How does this equate to Sox fans having low expectations? Is this the type of logic you learned from the Carmalites?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 15, 2012 -> 05:33 PM) And how exactly does a person with 8 posts know this much about Greg? Getting annoyed with him after 7 posts I could understand, that's normal. Knowing his tendencies that well? Balta: I have been an almost daily reader of this and other White Sox sites for many years. I just do not post frequently; but believe me I have my opinions about ALL of you based on long time observations . Peace and GO SOX!

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 15, 2012 -> 05:21 PM) How is this not completely contradictory? You have to remember this is from the same guy that states his "opinion " is a fact. He really knows very little about a lot.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 15, 2012 -> 04:57 PM) Nice comeback, but predictable ending. Sox can't get over the hump. Close calls matter not. We lost at home again. go away.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 15, 2012 -> 04:34 PM) Beckham is no better than Chris Getz. That is all. And that is a fact. Oh please; getz cheats up the middle because he cannot go to his right at all. Did you ever actually watch him play or do you just like to b**** about everything. Same thing to the genius (probably a cub fan) complaining about Viceado when he charged the ball and then dropped it; errors of comission happen in the game of baseball. Given his history he will hit and we need hitters. GO SOX !

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 5, 2012 -> 06:19 PM) The White Sox world isn't coming to an end ... at least until tomorrows game. Game threads just awful. This might be the single most "on point" post I have ever seen on this site. Thank you for your level headed comment and GO SOX!

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 9, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) I hate seeing AJP batting 2nd I love seeing our #2 hitter (whomever it is) NOT BUNTING in the 1st inning. Nobody gave away more outs that our "quitter" manager over the last several years.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 3, 2012 -> 11:58 AM) It's amazing how you can leave guys off that you remember playing and liked. I liked Ron Hansen a lot as a player, Harold Baines and can't forget Harold Perry- the milkman delivers again. So many good ones elrockinMT: You are so right; amazing how you forget some all time favorites as you review other lists. I can't believe I forgot: Harold Baines John Garland Hoyt Wilhelm (Tilt) Ray Durham Jim Landis Roberto Hernandez Carlton Fisk Willie Harris Great memories and wonderful moments spent with all these players and my Grandfather, Father, Daughters, Son, Wife and fellow White Sox Fans! GO GO WHITE SOX!

First post but have been reading for a long time. I decided to post as this is a great topic that brings back a lifetime of fabulous memories; all positive. Favorite two (I can't split them): Frank and Nellie. Many many other favorites including: Dick Allen Mark Buehrle Robin Ventura Looie Aparicio Joel Horlen Gary Peters Tommy John LaMar Hoyt Black Jack Britt Burns (a much better pitcher than the overated k. wood but no one is writing multiple glowing articles about him!) Jose Valentine AJ Jungle Jim Rivera Joe Crede Ron Kittle Ron Hansen Chet Lemon Ed Herrmann No Neck Williams Pat Kelly Bobby Jenks Bobby Thigpen Wilbur Wood Al Weiss (also a favorite as a '69 Met!) Jerry Koozman (same as above above) Jermaine Dye Juan Uribe Billy Pierce (why Al Lopez never gave him a start in the "59 World Series I will never understand) Ken Berry Minnie Minoso Tommy Agee and a bunch more. GO GO WHITE SOX!