Bananarchy

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) There's a pretty large second tier and I think he's in it. First tier is coached with multiple nattys imo. I just have to figure out how to get in the Lane Kiffin tier. It can't be that hard if he did it.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 08:51 PM) Harbaugh, dantonio, Petersen, dabo, Herman, there are many. I don't love the way Houston played against SMU and Navy. Herman looks like a good coach, but I'm not ready to call him among the best.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CH...-salaries.shtml The payroll for the next few years. If we trade Robertson and Frazier, we will have a payroll of around 65 million. In 2018 probably around 40 million once Melky, Lawrie and Avi gone. This is without even trading Quintana. We will have plenty of money to spend for the future in that massive FA class. Sounds like a good way to fail. If our rebuild is there in 2018, maybe we can mess with that class, but I wouldn't count on it.

No. Wrong franchise. I'm not even sure the Cubs will pay for 2018 free agents. They'll likely pay their own guys (Bryant, Rizzo, etc), but smart money is against paying mega-contracts.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) You're kidding yourself if you think there's any correlation at all to this rebuild and the '18 free agent class. Those guys are probably going to be getting $300M+ easy. Never going to happen for this team. And the perfect time for a rebuild was probably 3-4 years ago before we traded prospects and wasted $ on crappy old FA's only to still suck. But hey, better late than never right? At least they seem to be doing it the right way too instead of a 1/2 assed retool like I was afraid of. The only correlation I can find is that teams realize they need to draft and develop young talent in order to compete with those mega-contracts.

"The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now." -Chinese Proverb

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 08:07 PM) I know we've been burned like crazy but still feel most comfortable leaving 1b power hitter as the position we find in FA When you look at what's happening with the Cubs, the fact that Rizzo is there is causing a number of issues as that position is so replaceable.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) It was easy for me to imagine Q, Eatons and Sales offers, but the Robertson /Jones traded are where our scouts will make their money Eaton drew more than I expected, but I will agree the key is the lesser pieces.

A lot of people here are failing to give Sox fans enough credit. The average White Sox fan can understand what's happening.

Love the fraudulent Grindy-ness. I wonder which child of a Nationals player will be dubbed a team leader by Spanky.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) That Cubs trade is just funny now The Cubs certainly think so.

Don't slow down until Hawk retires.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) If we don't get position players, 75 wins is going to be a successful season for this franchise. So, at worst, we're no worse off than we were before. Except, we're likely to be a lot worse, which is better for the future.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:46 PM) There's absolutely no evidence. I just personally think he was so bad that you can't really judge anything correctly about the team's W/L record the past 3 seasons. Then you are certainly wrong. There are no worthwhile experts that think Rick et al are doing the wrong thing.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:45 PM) He makes a good point. What is the infatuation with pitching pitching pitching? Then we had the best pitcher in America (Sale) and dealt him. We are a weird organization. There are two positions in baseball that are essentially currency for trades: SS and P You can't have too much currency.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:43 PM) Cmon. Southsider could have taken a 23-10 team and kept it rolling. Robin, who I loved as a player and love his class and demeanor BTW, was a buffoon. We lose 1 heartbreaker ridiculous game and we all knew the team was finished. No offense to Robin, but we are talking a different class of bad manager here. I truly believe the Sox had enough pitching and 'good' players to do much better than they did the last couple years. What evidence is there to suggest that putting a different manager in charge would make up enough games?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:40 PM) This isn't the crap that has failed for years though? He doesn't know what he's talking about. He'd rather sign or trade for free agents no one wants. There's a reason Eaton was so easily acquired. The Diamondbacks didn't want him anymore. We need to trade for and grow our own talent. He has no reason to be upset. He's completely delusional.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:39 PM) Deadpool ... our manager was Robin Ventura for gosh sakes. We'll never know what type of team we might have had with Francona, who was available at one point. How many wins do you think a manager is worth? Hint: It's not many.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:35 PM) A lot more than I will enjoy the next two or three years. So you would rather just be terrible perennially than have two or three bad years in the interest of rebuilding. You deserve the last decade of baseball. You're not suffering. I get called a Cubs fan all the time because I was SO PUSHING for the Sox to at least attempt something close to what the Cubs did. It's not going to be the same and it's not going to be easy, but it was damn time now. I'm done ripping the White Sox. They're doing the right thing. I suggest you go cheer for San Diego, because they're the only team still following the 2016 White Sox "winning formula"

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:34 PM) Hopefully someone else hacks it who doesnt sound like an 80 year old man without his morning coffee. Somebody hand him a Snickers

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:32 PM) I enjoyed Tim Anderson last season along with Sale, Q and Rodon. So you would rather watch last year's team fail again?

The quote below is enough to tell SS2K5 he's wrong. He's agreeing with Greg for crying out loud. QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) Great great post. Total overhype. Sale was and is a true ace. Q is close to ace. Rodon has gained valuable experience and looks pretty stellar. These Nats guys are FAR from sure bets. How has Giolito looked since he had Tommy John? Is he still a top pitcher prospect or not??

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:26 PM) Apparently your fandom is based on the BA rankings, and not what is going on with the actual major league team. You're as clueless as the people who looked at the Cubs fan five years ago and thought "WHY DIDN'T THE CUBS SIGN PUJOLS?!" This thread will be hilarious to look back on in three or four seasons.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:22 PM) DBag fans would love to believe that...Dansby says 'hi' Seriously, what the hell is happening here? SS2k5 acting like he just suffered a traumatic brain injury and you just showing your rear as you have no idea what you are talking about. This is a joyous day for White Sox fans. If you don't see it, re-evaluate your fandom.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:21 PM) I wasn't crazy about return from the Sale deal but this is a really good deal for a guy in Eaton who likely peaked. Just need to get back positional prospects mostly in all other trades now. Or else what? You take whatever talent you get and move whatever you need to.