Bananarchy

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:24 PM) Eh, I'd say Bryant. Russell is one of the most overrated players in baseball IMO, and he hasn't done anything to convince me that he'll live up to his potential He's 22 and a 2 WAR player through half a season. Leave the stupid out of this discussion, please. It's not sexy, but Russell is off to a ridiculous start. And Bryant is more valuable than Sale, period.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:22 PM) Lmao at Baez and Soler. Any Sale deal with the Cubs starts with Bryant or Russell. Again, Schwarber is likely a good piece. Bryant and Russell are nearly untouchable. This is a stupid discussion. The Cubs and White Sox couldn't agree on the value of Chris Sale.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:10 PM) The bad thing about trading just one of our aces for MLB ready bats is that, great, offense should be better, but now you have a horrible rotation I have way more faith in this organization drafting pitchers than I do in them drafting positional talent. You're immediately writing off two highly sought after guys in Fulmer and Rodon, which is possible, but they're both so young.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) Well, I will 100% disagree with you here. Do you remember how long it took a chunk of our fanbase to get over the White Flag trade? You think most Sox fans would be cool with watching Sale help the Cubs win their first World Series in a 100+ years? Sure, some of the more sophisticated fans on this board would be ok with it, but Bob from Bridgeport ain't going to be happy and may never be able to forgive this ownership group. As much as it theoretically shouldn't matter, it would be the equivalent of the Red Sox selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees for a piano. And don't doubt for a second that Reinsdorf, Hahn, & KW aren't aware of this. That's not to say they wouldn't trade with the Cubs, but they definitely won't be trading the face of the franchise to them in one of the most important deals in team history. Bob from Bridgeport gave up on the White Sox two seasons ago. no one is going and no one is watching. Stop worrying about Bob from Bridgeport. Bob from Bridgeport is going to watch if the White Sox win. that's it. Who gives a f*** about most "Sox fans"? They're already watching the Bears. They care about the bottom line, and that is winning. This team isn't winning. And as far as Hahn goes, stop living in fantasy land. The Sox don't want the Cubs to win the World Series because that means the White Sox can't win the world series. That's all. Hahn's business is to make the White Sox better, whatever the cost. If he cares about the Cubs, he should be fired.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) I'd need another high-end prospect like Torres or Jimenez plus a B spect or two. Unfortunately, any deal with the Cubs is a pipe dream as our front office helping them win a World Series would be seen as an betrayal by a large chunk of our fanbase. Our front office doesn't give a f*** about the Cubs. Our fanbase shouldn't care, either. And if there's one thing we have all learned, the baseball operations group cares little what "the fanbase" thinks. They know when the team in the black pinstripes wins, the seats get filled. It's not much harder than that.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:31 PM) Come on man, Bryant is arguably a more valuable asset than Sale. I really hope the Sox's demands aren't that outrageous or we're going to miss out on a huge opportunity here. Bryant is almost certainly a more valuable asset than Sale. A top five player in the game. 4th in WAR. He's not a part of a Sale trade. QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:33 PM) The Sox demands better be pretty damn outrageous though.. Sale is one of the best pitchers in the game. Bryant is arguably a better player than Chris Sale is a pitcher. Sale is a top four pitcher. Bryant is a top five player

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:17 PM) Sorry Cubbies. It starts with Bryant. I would take Schwarber, Contreras, and Baez. I don't necessarily need Bryant.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:01 PM) Overpay? I thought they were too cheap. I get so confused and whiplash as well reading posts. I have never called the White Sox cheap. The reason the White Sox could survive a rebuild is when they find a good player, management can do what's necessary to keep him.

When your team has been bad for essentially 8 years, there's not a lot of room for positivity, I'm sorry I'm not sorry. A number of us have said this for a while: This modus operandi isn't going to work. If we can't develop our own players, we're sunk. It's no longer pessimism, it's just being realistic.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) When Lawrie is back. Put Saladino in the field and DH Abreu. I quit watching that clown fest. I'll get interested when they start moving players out Agreed. Give me young and bad over this.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) I get the feeling Hahn wants to but KW never wants to not compete.. KW always wants to compete. He caught lightning in a bottle in 2005 and now assumes the way to win is overpay talent other teams don't want. It's not that he lacks TWTW, it's that he's completely misguided.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:35 PM) If the Sox trade Sale I might have to devise some crazy physics experiment to check if i'm still in the same reality as I was before the trade. If the Sox trade Sale, it means Hahn and Williams have finally entered the same reality we're in.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:25 PM) For Q no question IMO. I'd be beyond stunned if they moved Sale. If they did, it'd be great for us because that means we're getting someone like Correa. Agreed. The more I think about it, I'm okay with moving Q but a little bit hesitant on Sale. I'm glad we're hearing a lot about selling-type moves.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) It's crazy now. We just can't hear the conversations. There's a really good chance Hahn gets an offer he really likes for either Sale or Q. These contenders are all chomping at the bit

Things could get so crazy as the deadline approaches.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 05:54 PM) Move Q, Sale gave the Sox a massive discount cause he wants to play here. Sale probably would do the same when he becomes a free agent. Not a chance. He gave us a discount and we rewarded him with a terrible lineup and minimal run support. He's gone when his contract is up.

A package including Correa for Sale would be an unreal grab for the White Sox. That's why it won't happen.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 05:32 PM) Needs a separate thread (vs. being burried in existing massive catch-all thread). Dodgers clearly have a lot of potential prospects and even some major league pieces they could offer (you'd have to assume that the starting price tag would be Urias plus one of their young, but streaky outfielders, along with at least one frontline prospect. I'm not sure who I would want to move. Sale has less control left, but is a better pitcher than Q.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) According to T.R. Sullivan of mlb.com, the Rangers are "making a serious effort" to land Sale. The Sox are going to have a number of options if they're serious about moving Sale and going in a new direction.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 04:00 PM) To be fair, Sale is also like Playstation. Yeah, on Easy Mode

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:55 PM) Are they prepared to give up Moancada, Swihart, Benintendi, and Bogaerts? *That is officially the craziest "fleecing" deal I've ever typed out. That's like Playstation. Make it happen KennyRick

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:31 PM) Will Middlebrooks for Quintana Where the heck is he now? Sky Sox?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) Hahn has always said they would listen to offers for any of their players. Has he ever said the organization was "mired in mediocrity"?

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) Jon Heyman‏ @JonHeyman The #WhiteSox are at least listening on offers for Sale and Quintana, with the #RedSox among many interested parties That's really good news at least.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) So Hahn took a job where KW would use him as a puppet? I would assume it involved a pretty big raise.