Bananarchy

Let's hope Shark doesn't take our offer after this crapstorm season.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 02:33 PM) Regarding futility of Robin ... until there's an obvious choice to replace him maybe the Sox should keep him another year. I mean does anybody really want a replacement of Dave Martinez, Alomar, Buddy Bell? These are the 3 we'd probably get as our leading candidates. I'd take Gardy right now but the Sox really don't have any good options out there. If Robin gets canned I'd be OK with a one-year deal for Ripken or Thome or somebody like that waiting until somebody good gets fired and emerges. I know you guys get mad at me for suggesting oldies, but what about Leyland for a one-year deal or LaRussa for one year or even Lasorda one year? I would take Dave Martinez in a heartbeat. They should have taken him the last time around.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 12:01 PM) As you can see in the PHT thread it seems like the SCORE feels the need to pound home the White Sox mistakes (Tannehill and Abbatacola) If you listen to that station you would believe the cubs were flawless and a lock for the world series and the White Sox were 35 games under. The mistakes are so awful at this point. While there is a lot of bad luck, baseball on the south side has been rough for some time and the Score is the White Sox network, so they're forced to talk about it.

QUOTE (RegionSox @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) I made the mistake today of turning on 670 and catching some of Joe Cowley. Wow, he really can't let go of the past. I caught at least one reference to Don Cooper as the snitch. Also, his advice to Sox fans was to buy a Cubs hat. He should go back to Pittsburgh Remember when he disgraced himself and had to shut down his personal twitter account?

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 09:42 PM) My fault, didn't mean to go all AustinIllini How dare you use numbers to back up your argument?

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 08:10 PM) No, look at this team -- if someone blows us away with an offer, you trade anyone. This is the reality now. We have a lot of value in a few players.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 02:26 PM) I wish the worst thing Bobby Hull did was that. The Hawks need to quietly part ways with Hull. He's not a good look for them.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 02:05 PM) With steroids you have players honestly motivated and trying to compete, in the other, you have the absence of competition. Not unfairness within competition, but the absence of it. That's a huge deal. I love almost everything you have said on this thread. People don't understand this. Legal or not, to eliminate the competitive spirit is to tear the fabric of the game. The only thing baseball truly has is the game. The game is the keystone that holds the MLB together.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) I suppose you could call it a slump since he, statistically, is having a worse season than 2014, but he is still having a very strong season He had a rough stretch when the Sox weren't hitting, but he's still having a strong season.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 08:21 AM) Plus defender? No, no he's not. No metric says he is. Misread the stat. He's runs above a replacement, and that's mostly due to his position. In left he would be below, but still worth it overall, obviously.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 08:04 AM) yeah i agree..... then what in the hades are coaches suppose to do???? And it's not like Ventura and company have some deeper system. The team has needed fundamentals work for 2.5 seasons. Can't run a mile before you can walk.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:31 AM) What Jose Abreu said. (the poster, at least. I'm not sure if Jose Abreu the player has any opinions on White Sox player development) I always assumed Jose Abreu the user was Jose Abreu the player. But yeah, let's not mess up another prospect by bringing them up too early. I totally sympathize, though. Spring training is so exciting.

No thanks.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 08:01 AM) Bryant is putting up a 5+ WAR season in his rookie year. What are you talking about? People look at his batting average, but fail to recognize he's a plus fielder, baserunner, and hitter. I'm pretty sure he has completely lived up to the hype.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 05:19 PM) In a ballpark that's generally considered a hitters ballpark and in the AL where you don't have to face the pitcher, you can be one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and still meet that standard. While there are some issues with using it on its own, fWAR is a good double check to see if that fits. Here's where our staff has ranked in that stat in all of MLB over the past 7 seasons: 2015: 5th 2014: 23rd 2013: 16th 2012: 12th 2011: 2nd 2010: 1st 2009: 4th Thanks for keeping us honest. I should have checked my math. 2012-2014 were certainly not good, but you can't complain with the rest.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) I can only imagine the criticism a hitting coach for the Sox would get if they acquired a player in his free agent year (during his prime years) and had him completely flop like Samardzija has. On that note, can we rehire and then fire Greg Walker?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 04:28 PM) He shouldn't. He also shouldn't get a pass on producing only one staff in the top 1/2 of MLB in ERA in 7 seasons. He also shouldn't get a pass on his handling of the bullpen, and his status as Robin's mentor/shadow-manager, and Williams' mole. Wow. I didn't know any of those pitching numbers. That's tough, especially for a team that has only had any success drafting pitchers.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) I wish the BIG would stop bending over for the SEC. Every time they play an early-season "neutral field" game it's in an SEC state. Grow a pair and make them play a game at Lucas Oil or Ford Field. It's brilliant for the B1G to play in SEC states. Any victory against said teams is essentially a recruiting advantage. The B1G wants its teams in the spotlight.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) Not to be sexist but the majority of the injured people making news are women. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm I would argue this is coincidental. The nets will go up, but like hockey, I doubt anyone will care.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) i wonder if i can add ozzie's kids this this post. "Most hated mouthpiece of an active manager"

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) Of course, you can complain all you want. But, soon people will start to ignore your posts and you'll be talking to yourself. I know the season sucks and the people in charge have issues, but "venting" constantly does nothing but alienate you with other posters. I respect the rights of any user on this board to ignore whomever they choose. QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) You shouldnt think that you are being unique in your "honesty" like you are the only one that is willing to be honest about a bad team that they are a fan of. There are plenty of posters here that are "honest" in their assessments. And there is a difference to being honest and just trying to get a rise out of someone in each thread you post in. Knowing that you arent going to change a thing I would be willing to bet you will eventually get into trouble with the mod/admins here because anytime you step over the line there will be posters lined up to report you and no one willing to defend you. Its just a message board...but whatever, just being brutally honest. As far as I can tell, I have yet to break any forum rules. I have been treated with nothing but respect from the Admins, Mods, and members of this board.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) If you don't want to complain, stop watching. Problem solved. No one is forcing you to keep watching something you think is extremely tough to swallow, with everything always being wrong. QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) I can't roll my eyes hard enough at that argument. No one is forcing you to follow a team that evidently disgusts you either, yet here you are. Nobody is forcing me to read your comments, but I'm not gonna put you on ignore because you, like anyone else here, might say something that interests me and that I find worth reading. A few pages ago somebody posted this regarding the Sale-in-the-NL debate: "see that's the thing it's not just the DH factor. yes, that's part of it but as a league the NL has FAR worse hitters (and pitchers) than the AL." That was the full text of the post, right there. You jumped in with: "Yeah and we are still horses***" What purpose does that serve? That's just pollution. It's whining for the sake of whining and while I'm not forced to read it, maybe it's bad enough that it just exists. I won't be changing a thing. I'm brutally honest about the state of the White Sox.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) That doesn't address what somebody might get out of constantly complaining, which is equally agonizing for everybody to read. No one is forcing you to read my comments. I'm positive where positivity is warranted, however this season has been extremely tough to swallow with the FO and coaching staff messing up every step.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 10:55 AM) That's not how free agency works. The market decides how many years you sign a player to, not what a team wants. Agreed. Assuming that the Sox wanted him for four years implies no compromises are made between players and teams.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) So you are admitting all your posts complaining endlessly about the talent level are just BS. The Sox apparently have plenty of talent to win, it is Robin Ventura holding them back. Who said that? The White Sox have neither the talent nor the managerial prowess to win.