Bananarchy

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 11:48 PM) So instead of enjoying the "rebuild" as you suggest I do during the 2010-2016 timeframe, I, like you, instead had to endure the horrific baseball we saw these past several years before the baseball guys were finally able to convince the stubborn owner to move in the advisable direction of a rebuild. This is really an interesting development. A number of people on here (I was not one of them) cited JR's age as a reason we didn't rebuild. It sure looks like they were right. I guess it's not hard to believe an owner in his 70s doesn't want to rebuild.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:49 PM) I don't know why people say it doesn't matter. All seasons go down in the history books and if the rebuild doesn't result in excellence you better believe Jerry will remember the embarrassing records in 2017 and 2018. Better hope the lineup of Eloy in left, Robert in center, Rutherford in right; Burger at third, TA at short, Moncada at 2B and Abreu at first and Collins catcher and Avi DH to go with 5-6 outstanding arms equals 100 victory seasons. You forgot likely two more high first round picks.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:45 PM) the tank is on for sure.... However I'm not sure I've seem many teams in my life as bad as we are now.. It doesn't really matter.. but wow is this team horribad. White Sox teams? There's a baseball team this bad almost every year. Good organizations know when to blow it up and know what it takes to rebuild. Tons of them are doing it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:17 PM) Moncada k'ing 30-40% of the time. Jimenez and Rutherford aren't out of this world hitters at corner outfield spots, making them 1.5-2.25 fWAR guys. Kopech never finds his control or gets hurt. Cease and Giolito already with one TJS. Most of the hurlers have concerns about durability, or pitchability, as starters. Robert doesn't live up to his hype. See article above... two consecutive high draft picks will likely mitigate some of that risk. That's why you stockpile. Odds of all of those things happening and two high first round picks busting starts to become VERY low.

QUOTE (New Era on South Side @ May 24, 2017 -> 06:35 AM) I recently listened to ESPN radio 1000 in the afternoon on the TuneIn radio app and noticed how bad some of those shows are from a learning standpoint compared to Bernstein and Goff. I do think that B&G gets old after some time and even to an extent the morning show on 670, but that might be because of the fact it is the Cubs flagship station and heading the Go Cubs Go song and World Series highlights gets old after several hours of listening. I do like the humor on the afternoon show on AM 1000 and their transition is better. I grew up with McNeil, Jurko and Harry and loved them, the show that was on before them in that slot with Lou Connelis (who is unbearable on Fox now) and also enjoyed McNeil and Spiegel as well. I prefer B&G to W&S, but I do occasionally get tired of the Cubbie laying it on thick attitude. Does Dave Wischnowsky‏ ever say anything intelligent?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:35 PM) Failed is harsh. 45 years of sub-par ownership is more realistic Agreed. Far be it for me to defend ownership because I sure as hell had been frustrated with them for the better part of a decade before recent events, but failed owners don't have championships. You can't take a real failed owner like Mikhail Prokhorov and compare him to Jerry Reinsdorf.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) Do you want to name names ? He's just moaning. Cubs fans did it, stros fans did it. Look at them now. Sox fans are just like everyone else.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:32 PM) Yet we are all still here posting about them day after day, go figure. I was going to let his comment go, but I can't help it. Barring an horrible crime or racket or something like that, an organization that breaks an 88 year WS drought probably shouldn't be called "disgusting"

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:05 PM) It's really disgusting to have a team this bad. Team has won one game since Q left. All part of the plan.

bean ball

Tank

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 08:21 PM) I have never seen the White Sox this bad in my entire life and I'm weirdly excited about it. For me, it's because if what everyone says is true, Moncada is the future.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 08:18 PM) It is going to get so bad. As of July 9th they were 9 games "back" of the Phillies. They've already trimmed that to 4.5 in like 2 weeks worth of games. They are going to fly past the Phils for the worst record in the majors and never look back. This is the lineup we will look back at in 2020 and be like "remember that mess?"

Tank

Rizzo is a monster.

Avi would have dove . Would have looked awesome. And Bryant would be on third.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 11:06 PM) I think at some point we'll see the mound either lowered or moved back to combat the insane velocity that's come on over the past few years. Also, pitcher helmets

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) The cubs were on the SCORE's sister station in 2015. There was no way they were going to stay there while the SOX stayed on the SCORE. Both Reinsdorf controlled teams are on the same station which no baseball or basketball fan under the age 60 listens to other than for the game. That's not getting booted. JR et al went elsewhere. CBS had a one time opportunity to move the Cubs to the Score and they did. CBS would rather have had both. QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:27 AM) So we left the most popular sports station for Chicago sports for some no name station that no one cares about, and the mega Cubs instantly jump on the opportunity? Something sounds fishy about that. The Cubs knew a few years back that they would win a title as did most people who followed their rebuild. I just think that was a bad move for the Sox as it takes them a little more out of the public eye. Cubs didn't jump. CBS moved the Cubs to the Score.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 07:58 AM) I agree that I'm nervous about the next stage of the rebuild. I think it was (comparatively) fun to amass the youngsters, & for the front office to absorb the kudos of the fans and media. But when the team will be ~20 games below .500 on Fathers Day next season, will this front office and ownership have the requisite PATIENCE to stay the course? Will they keep the "end in mind," as the losses pile up? Or will they stupidly rush the youngsters through the system instead of patiently allowing each prospect develop at his own pace? So far, this team has been anything BUT patient: 1. Rodon was rushed, & he STILL can't consistently locate his FB. He's basically still in spring training post injury 2. Tim Anderson played all of 55 games in AAA, & was rushed to the contract extension. No brainer. If he's a 2 WAR player, this is a steal of a contract 3. Moncada was brought up, despite his craptacular splits hitting as a righty. I don't particularly care about a rookie's splits from one side. He deserved the call up. 4. Hell, when they just "HAD TO" have James f***ing Shields, had they waited a few days, he probably would have been DFA'ed, instead they stupidly gave away value for him.Not a rebuild gripe So, on balance, I question this team's ability to be patient. And that's the other side of the coin: Does this org have the know-how to develop hitters? Do they have the right people in the right jobs, or is Chris Getz only in his position because he played here? Probably Can they properly interpret their prospect' results, or do they take the Charlotte bandbox results at face value, for example? The White Sox play in a "bandbox", so yeah they can interpret Charlotte performance Can we as fans have faith in this org in developing hitters in their own farm system, when they have utterly failed to do so over the past ~15-20 years? Different guy running the farm system, different GM. This isn't GarPax. There is a clear change in philosophy where Hahn has taken the reins. We will see. But again, I think we'll be entering the "hard part" of the rebuild, which is to WAIT PATIENTLY for the kids to make it here. We won't have Sale/Eaton/Q or any other big chip to trade away. We won't have a high prospect in a trade return to drool over. And we won't have a new international FA to distract us from the crappiness of Ricky's bunting operation. To me, this will be the hard part for the fans, this impatient front office, this impatient ownership, and the stupid cub-centric media. You're really overplaying this patience thing. We don't need that many more prospects to drool over. We have a number of them. As far as the Cub-centric media: they understand the rebuild process because the Cubs have done it. You seem cool enough, but most of what you have said here is kind of meh. There's a difference between being a realist and being chicken little. The sky is not failing, the Sox have a ton of near MLB prospects followed by a ton of top prospects right beneath. This thing is going to go faster than you think.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 07:53 AM) I believe they've been quoted as saying future run producer in the lineup. So ideally at the 3 spot (i.e. Cano). In the AL that's a bit more fluid. In the NL, you have the pitcher, so you want your hitter away from the pitcher (3, 4, or 5 believe it or not). However, in the AL you don't quite have to worry about it as much so you can put a guy like Moncada at 2 to get more at bats.

Too bad, too. We were one or two pieces away in June...

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 05:08 AM) I'd rather let guys earn spots atop the batting order. IMO, Moncada is fine where he is at right now. Anderson should bat 9th until he starts to hit. Just my opinion. I get what you are saying, but at the same time i would almost think it better to just put guys where you want them. If Rick Hahn envisions Moncada batting second, put him there. This is just such a low pressure situation.

QUOTE (JPR @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 05:52 PM) Is this iamshack always this annoying or is he overdue for um yeah...great trade by Hahn! "Not a particularly good way to start...."

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) Something that is ridiculous is the media will focus on Hawk's rant after the game instead of Lackey hitting more people than Addison Russell No one cares what that old windbag has to say. The headlines will be "Hawk angry" and they'll move on because no one takes him seriously.

Moncada is just rough