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I'm still hoping for a class of Jordan, Williams, Evans, Thomas and Bragg. Would not be upset with Milton or Whitt though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 04:03 PM) Is WS in a playoff run? Yes

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/marl...assignment.html Claim him.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?s...mp;ymd=20140805 Charlotte- Hill Winson Salem- Wendelken Kannapolis- Wheeler Great Falls- Ball AZL & DSL- TBA Birmingham is off

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 10:12 AM) Chicago White Sox ‏@whitesox 10m Zach Putnam will begin his injury rehab assignment tonight with @KnightsBaseball (vs. Gwinnett). Good we need him with the big club.

My first thought, LOVE that Dykstra made it at 25. I really think he's gonna be a good one, even though I think he's a little low. Surprised Bassitt didn't make the 11-25 with how much he is regarded around here, no way he's in the top 10. Honestly think Trey might be too low at 11, I believe I had him at 8. Also love that Rondon came in the top 25, even though 14 might be a little high but I have no real complaints. Only bummer, I'm a huge Wendelken guy, think he can crack it by beginning of next season. My take on the top 10 1. Rodon 2. Anderson 3. Johnson 4. Montas 5. Hawkins 6. Davidson 7. Danish 8. Adams 9. Sanchez 10. Ravelo

QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 06:20 PM) The girl I'm going with tonight is wearing a Beckham t-shirt because her friend said he was hot. SMH. Dump her

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 05:24 PM) Does anyone think Pedro Alvarez could be had in the offseason? He has struggled at 3B recently because he has basically forgotten how to throw and he can't get past it. I'd love Alvarez as the full-time DH. No. But I think a good trade partner could be Cincinnati. They have a decision to make because their team is getting old, and injury prone. I would try to acquire Jay Bruce and Sean Marshall from them.

Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 11m #WhiteSox prospect RHP Francellis Montas threw a simulated game. He's on his way back. Chance he could pitch again in 2014 season. Yes!

I've been reading that the Astros are going to have some tough decisions on who to protect on their 40 man roster and I was wondering who is eligible from the Sox that needs to get protected and put on the 40 man roster. If you guys can help out that would be great.

I was watching Intentional Talk with Chris Rose and Kevin Millar. They had a stat of the youngest teams in the league, the Sox have the 5th youngest roster behind the Astros, Marlins, Braves and a team that I have forgotten. The average age of this team is 26.7, the 25 man roster. The 40 man is 27.3. With guys like Konerko and Dunn coming off the books, Sox are going to be extremely young (potentially) next season which is encouraging given the success this year minus the bullpen. Currently, the Sox only have one pitcher and 3 position players in their 30s (Dunn, Danks, Konerko, Ramirez). Few more young pieces and sky is the limit in my opinion. Plus I didn't know where to put this.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 04:58 PM) This thread blows. You don't spend a ton of money on a bullpen for a rebuilding team. You don't trade away prospects from a rebuilding team to get veteran bullpen arms. Relief pitchers have the most erratic results from year to year of any players. The bullpen as constructed with Jones and Lindstom not getting injured and Belisario and Shields simply pitching similarly to last year and the rest of their careers, the bullpen is just fine. If you are going to blame Rick Hahn for veteran relievers not pitching up to their historical numbers or getting injured then by the same "logic" you also have to credit Hahn for everything Jose Abreu has done. Abreu hasn't hit one home run this year, Hahn hit them. P.S.- Our bullpen is 12th best in the AL. Our starters are also 12th best. Can there be a separate forum on this site just for posters who don't say dumb s***? Probably last without Sale and Quintana.

Illinois has gotten officials visits for Elijah Thomas, Justin Whitt and Shake Milton so far. I expect Evans, Bragg, Aaron Jordan, DJ Williams, Sharma and Brunson to set officials to Illinois too

What are his chances at AL MVP?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:34 PM) The plans was ,and you seem to be in the minority here, to build a solid core of young position players and starting pitchers . Players that do not usually fluctuate in performance as much as bullpen pieces do and to have enough money left over to cross that bullpen bridge when they got to that point of having that core in place. How long will it have been once the Cubs or Astro's or the Pirates or the Royal get to the playoffs ? How long has it been since the A's became winners for the last few years. Didn't you use the Indian's and Royals as an example of better bullpens ? Do you think they are going to make the playoffs ? Do you think they have a chance to win the World Series this year ? Yes the bullpen was not at the top of the list of priorities. Position players and starting pitching will always be given more priority. When you can come up with a formula for how to determine which bullpen pieces to acquire I will say a bullpen should be a priority. Until then you and Greg and Dick enjoy your w(h)ine. This x100000 Sox arent even done with that. One more starter and a couple more bats and then you can address the bullpen.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:14 PM) Also, I'd just like to clarify one point, because I've also been highly critical of Robin Ventura for mismanaging our bullpen. We have a crappy bullpen. About that I think even Rick Hahn's defenders would agree. My problem with Robin Ventura has been that he's made things worse than they needed to be by using guys like Bellisario in critical games. There's just no way you should give Bellisario the opportunity to LOSE 8 GAMES! He did it in back-to-back starts by Scott Carroll against the Twins, well AFTER everyone could see that Bellisario was toast. Both losses blunted what would otherwise have been a Sox hot streak back to .500 play. He also did it in 2012 with Matt Thornton, who was given the opportunity to lose 10 games for a contending team. At some point, you've got to use different options. I agree, but with Putnam now hurt, there literally isn't anyone that has had a good year besides Petricka. Webb has shown nothing in critical situations, Guerra enough said, and the others just haven't proved anything. Belisario at least had experience in high leverage situations. And for a stretch he was dominant in the 8th inning role.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) My contention is YOU DON"T MAKE THE DEAL 10 TIMES OUT OF 10 when you have nothing to replace Reed with. You might counter we had Lindstrom/Jones. I am not high on either guy. But Hahn thought he did. Lindstrom and Jones were going to be the closer, whoever won the job and by Hahn's comments the other day, it sounded like it was going to be Jones. It doesn't matter if you're high on either guy, the Sox scouts, upper management and coaching staff were high on these guys. You wanted Ubaldo Jimenez on the Sox... QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) When should the Sox get the go ahead to build a good bullpen? Next year he can through trade or free agency. There will be some good veteran free agent relievers available next year.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:04 PM) This is the argument that gets me. "Rebuilding, rebuilding, rebuilding." WTF does that mean? To you it seems to mean -- put a crappy bullpen out there because you don't have a better plan -- then when the crappy bullpen sinks the season, tell the fans "we were just rebuilding; thanks for spending your good money coming to our games; we didn't really plan on contending this year anyway so it doesn't really matter that our bullpen stinks!!" I'm confident that's NOT what the Sox brass intended. Instead, they had a plan, it was just a BAD PLAN. It was also a plan that undervalued the difference that a good bullpen can make on a team's W-L record. For both of those reasons, Rick Hahn deserves considerable criticism. It's NO DEFENSE for Hahn to say "rebuilding." And, in fact, if we were able to get Rick Hahn to answer this question honestly, I bet he would agree that he messed up the bullpen this season. I just hope he learns his lesson. Yes the bullpen didn't work out. Did anybody realistically see this team have a chance go to the playoffs? Answer is no, not at all. In a matter of a year and a half, Hahn has netted Avi Garcia, Adam Eaton, Jose Abreu, Connor Gillaspie, Francellis Montas, Carlos Rodon, Cleuius Rondon, JB Wendelken and Leury Garcia. That right there is great given the time he has been on the job. As other members have posted, guys like Belisario and Downs had good years last year, but have/were been so bad this year, who can predict that. Bullpens are such a crap shoot now, its really a dime and dozen position now.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) Great post. I think we have a lot of folks in here I wish were my boss. You guys cut Hahn so much slack it's amazing. I like Hahn, but Hahn is getting so much benefit of the doubt when he totally blew it on the bullpen and like somebody else pointed out wasted some money on Paulino, Keppinger, etc. I don't get the Addison Reed hate either. That trade is a fricking disaster right now. The Sox current third baseman looks like he'll be hitting liners for the Sox for years to come. His defense sucks but so does the defense of the guy we got for Reed. You can throw out pretty much all criticism of Robin now because of this bullpen. Nobody could win more games than he has unless the starters all pulled an Ozzie-postseason 2005 and threw all complete games. Hahn seems like a decent guy. I wish him well but the Reed trade IMO is a disaster and I don't know frankly why others disagree with me on this one. Pretty sure no one hates Addison Reed, but you talk to any GM, and I guarantee at least 25 other teams make that deal. I'm a huge Reed fan, was bummed Sox traded him, but was stoked that Hahn got Davidson in return. It's one bad year. You guys are so pessimistic, its annoying. Adrian Beltre was never good until the age of what 30? Some guys take time. I'm just glad half you guys aren't GMs, because you make the Reed for Davidson deal 10 times out of 10.

Glad Rios has no hard feelings here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:28 PM) In hindsight, yes. In hindsight many guys sucked this year. We can't go back and retroactively cut the 10 guys on this team who have underperformed either. But in terms of a building a baseball team, that is a move you make every, single time, no matter what hindsight you apply here. Exactly. When you have a CHANCE of acquiring a franchise third baseman for a good BUT replaceable closer, you make that trade 10 times out of 10. A lot of people wrote off Hawkins after his poor performance last year, he has picked it up a little bit. My point is Davidson is much further along than Hawkins is, and a proven track record yet everyone wants to get rid of him or even call him a non prospect after one bad year. Davidson will be a major leaguer, just depends whether that'll be with the Sox or another team

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:21 PM) Baez is a very flawed player. He's a bad defender, strikes out a ton, and doesn't exactly post Dunn-like walk numbers. That doesn't mean he'll be bad, but it means he's very far from a sure bet. I see a lot of Alfonso Soriano in him...the question is whether he'll peak as highly. Bingo. Its going to be interesting where they are going to play him. Second base? Alcantara is a middle infielder who's gonna be playing CF it looks like. You run on him any chance you get.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:23 PM) The White Sox didn't get one of those in the trade. Not yet. Davidson is only 23

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:19 PM) In the spot where the Sox are, a starting 3B is much more important than a closer. We are taking about one inning 40 to 50 times a year, versus 140-150 games a year. Sure Davidson failed, but unless that closer is the final piece of a playoff team, you make that deal every single day. To be fair, this is his only year he has failed at any level. There is no reason he can't pick it up next year.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 01:51 PM) The Cubs should be very, very good within a few years, or sooner. It will make a Dodgers fan out of many here, perhaps. They still have to perform. With all the hype about Alcantara, he's only hitting 253. They have talent, but the show is a different beast. It'll definitely be interesting to see how they handle these young guys and who they'll trade to get some pitching.